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[BolshieBastard]

More personal insults in professional forums?

Trolling in the professional forums?

Get over yourself

[Malcolm Buggeridge]

I just won't do long haul without a proper telephone interview first to establish that we are on the same page.

I once went over to Cork for an "interview". When I arrived, I was shown into a room where about 20 other people were sat at desks.

Yep, it was a written technical test just to determine who they were going to invite back for interview.

Still, I had a good night out in old Corcaigh afterwards.

[Mr.Whippy]

I dont have to take the first contract that comes my way. In fact, Im fortunate in that I can be selective as I have no mortgage around my neck so I just have to laugh a goon like 'mr whippy' and his inane comments.

More personal insults in professional forums?

[unixman]

...told I'd be interviewed by two people for about an hour. Only one guy turned up...

Ah yes, the old "disappearing interviewer" trick. Not wanting to turn this thread into a moan fest, but it is surprising how often the principle manager or engineer will simply fail to show at interview, usually due to a "training course" or some operational issue. It's a bad sign. The stand-in is never as qualified and the interview achieves less. It is also a bit rude, since have travelled far and spent money to attend. And an inability to keep a basic diary date does not engender confidence. Still, the customer is always right.

At my interview mentioned above, the main man - a Solaris heavyweight - failed to attend because of a "training course" or something. The other chaps were smashing but couldn't test my knowledge.

[BolshieBastard]

Agree. Chasing a recent contract I had 1 phone interview and a face to face 1.5 hours away and an online technical test. The face 2 face went so well I thought they would offer next day, they certainly gave that impression. But they re-advertised and the agent eventually admitted they are looking at more CVs. This was before the test. But they didn't reject me, just kept me hanging on. I withdrew my interest.

In hindsight, they are not bad people, just a large, slow, "process driven" (ie. red tape) company. I probably should not have withdrawn interest, it was just getting so annoying. Also the test was full of mistakes - what could I do, tell them their questions were wrong ?

I know what you and GB9 mean. I'd been told I'd be interviewed by two people for about an hour. Only one guy turned up to do the interview and we had a good chat for about 25 - 30 minutes. I later found out they wanted to do a second interview so declined due to a number of factors.

If the rate had of been a lot nearer my normal, I might have gone along with it. But, taking all factors into account I decided not to.

I dont have to take the first contract that comes my way. In fact, Im fortunate in that I can be selective as I have no mortgage around my neck so I just have to laugh a goon like 'mr whippy' and his inane comments.

[MyUserName]

Also the test was full of mistakes - what could I do, tell them their questions were wrong ?

Maybe that was part of the test?

[unixman]

Generally agree, but needs must. Succumbed to a second interview for a role last week. Lasted 12 minutes, basically so someone senior could vet me. Fair enough, but would have been better if I they had done it first time around. Total cost / effort on that role to date = 2 days and £280. Outcome awaited.

Agree. Chasing a recent contract I had 1 phone interview and a face to face 1.5 hours away and an online technical test. The face 2 face went so well I thought they would offer next day, they certainly gave that impression. But they re-advertised and the agent eventually admitted they are looking at more CVs. This was before the test. But they didn't reject me, just kept me hanging on. I withdrew my interest.

In hindsight, they are not bad people, just a large, slow, "process driven" (ie. red tape) company. I probably should not have withdrawn interest, it was just getting so annoying. Also the test was full of mistakes - what could I do, tell them their questions were wrong ?

[tranceporter]

Sadly for you, you're incorrect because it isnt the same circumstances.

By the way, what's it like being a troll like me?

FTFY. What was it again? Don't diss the Bolshie, bob!
Made my day!

[BolshieBastard]

Is there really any need for personal insults in a pro forum?

I was only referring you to your very own advice.

Sadly for you, you're incorrect because it isnt the same circumstances.

By the way, what's it like being a troll?

[Mr.Whippy]

You really have got tulip for brains, havent you?

Is there really any need for personal insults in a pro forum?

I was only referring you to your very own advice.

[BolshieBastard]

Oh dear... I don't suppose you remember when you neg rep'd me in this thread with the advice "Well d'uh! Ask for a telephone interview if you dont want the time and trouble, d**kh**d." do you?

Perhaps you should've done the very same thing yourself before embarking on a 150 mile round trip?

You really have got tulip for brains, havent you?

[eek]

in my field only adds from agencies who never got me any interview and who seem to be fishing are those that have "no visa required" clause.

Given that they are looking for a bob willing to work at Bob rates (regardless of quality) why are you surprised that they don't talk to expensive (quality) contractors.

[mos]

in my field only adds from agencies who never got me any interview and who seem to be fishing are those that have "no visa required" clause.

[Mr.Whippy]

That's it, Im seriously thinking of quitting and retiring.

Round trip of 150 miles yesterday, had interview (went well) then at the end interviewer says righto, we'll get you back for a 2nd interview with more people. WTF?

So no, sorry, I dont do 2 (or more) stage selection processes. And for that reason, Im out.

Oh dear... I don't suppose you remember when you neg rep'd me in this thread with the advice "Well d'uh! Ask for a telephone interview if you dont want the time and trouble, d**kh**d." do you?

Perhaps you should've done the very same thing yourself before embarking on a 150 mile round trip?

[BolshieBastard]

I think it is an error on JobServe. Here is an example where the job ad specifies "must be able to work in the UK", but the header says sponsorship will be considered.

Product Manager job - London - March-22-2013 (C6SBz)

Im not sure. I checked and all ads seem to have it on now. Perhaps its in response to dave hug a hoodie's open arms welcome to everyone from the sub continent?

Had a Morgan Stanley interview which was 4 people over 5 hours. I turned up as the rate was decent but then my darling agent called 10 mins before to tell me the role had been taken internally and HR had blah de blah etc.

One interview should be all they need. Check for matching shoes and that we can do the technical stuff.

Totally agree. If they cant agree after one interview, how the flip can anyone have confidence in them delivering \ managing a project? Do they want 2 or 3 attempts at getting that right too?