Still comes down to...
In contract - Getting someone to fill in for you is substitution
Out of contract - It's called putting someone else forward, best you can hope for is a finder fee
You obviously know your market and the in's and outs of your position so you are on your own with this one. But you need to get over the above situations to make it work.
As already mentioned though, the agent won't understand the situation though. Bum on seat = commission is about as far as it goes with them.
Good luck.
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Originally posted by pauljh View PostOkay here is more particulars, laugh or cry, but opinions will be listened to (probably).
I'm on a contract at a slightly higher rate in a super niche area (the 5 people on the market all know each other and are in contracts, we are talking super niche here).
I don't want the contract as it has no chance of renewal but could "help" someone with most the skills to do it without issue (it involves little actually programming), hence I thought I could become an evil middle man like other "consultancy" firms I've worked with in the past (who take your rate, triple it and send you out to site, they add nothing except posh addresses in London (not that I have a grudge or anything)). Anyway as the 5 of us have all worked for the evil "consultancy firms" in the past I though this could be my "in" to be a not so evil consultancy firm (as I'll actually have the skills to do the job myself if needed).
So unknown agency phones me a week ago (after finding me on some job site), I know I'm one of few out there at the moment, get interview, I ask for LOTS more money (to make it worth giving up current contract), they can't, then I consider "substituting" to someone I know has all the "face skills" just doesn't know all the right "buzz words".
Plain enough? Ohhh do I expect some crash words in some replies now.....
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Originally posted by LisaContractorUmbrella View PostIf it's an agency I can't see that they will accept a sub for the whole contract - if they have interviewed you for the position and offered you a rate based on that interview then they will be expecting you to turn up
I'm on a contract at a slightly higher rate in a super niche area (the 5 people on the market all know each other and are in contracts, we are talking super niche here).
I don't want the contract as it has no chance of renewal but could "help" someone with most the skills to do it without issue (it involves little actually programming), hence I thought I could become an evil middle man like other "consultancy" firms I've worked with in the past (who take your rate, triple it and send you out to site, they add nothing except posh addresses in London (not that I have a grudge or anything)). Anyway as the 5 of us have all worked for the evil "consultancy firms" in the past I though this could be my "in" to be a not so evil consultancy firm (as I'll actually have the skills to do the job myself if needed).
So unknown agency phones me a week ago (after finding me on some job site), I know I'm one of few out there at the moment, get interview, I ask for LOTS more money (to make it worth giving up current contract), they can't, then I consider "substituting" to someone I know has all the "face skills" just doesn't know all the right "buzz words".
Plain enough? Ohhh do I expect some crash words in some replies now.....
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Originally posted by pauljh View PostCurrent with neither!, I've been formally offered the job, but not seen the actual contract yet, but I'm assuming will be with the agent (so they can add on their blood money)..
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Originally posted by pauljh View PostBecause he still wants his "cut" and can't find anyone else with my skill set?
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Originally posted by eek View PostIn took one look at this thread, laughed and walked away. I really don't know why you bother at times.
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Originally posted by pauljh View PostBecause he still wants his "cut" and can't find anyone else with my skill set?
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostSorry but this is a bit ridiculous. You want to send in a sub that isn't up to the mark in to a gig you haven't even sign yet?
They will refuse your sub flat and the agent will get his own person in. Walk away from this one.
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Sorry but this is a bit ridiculous. You want to send in a sub that isn't up to the mark in to a gig you haven't even sign yet?
They will refuse your sub flat and the agent will get his own person in. Walk away from this one.
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Originally posted by Advocate View PostYou can't invoke a clause in a contract you've not signed.
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Ask yourself why would the agent want to do this?
How can this be substitution when you don't have a contract? If you don't accept, the agent will just offer it to someone else.
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Re: Substitution
You can't invoke a clause in a contract you've not signed.
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Originally posted by Advocate View PostIs your contract with the agent or the end client....
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Is your contract with the agent or the end client....
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