Reply to: Client email - Permies and contractors can leave early on Friday

[northernladuk]

Well, I was going to be a gardener but they refuse my work from hoe request

[MyUserName]

So you're a farmer, then!?

Well, I was going to be a gardener but they refuse my work from hoe request

[BolshieBastard]

So much so that I changed my name to Carl Ontractor.

Of course, that back fired when they gave me an ID badge which read 'Carl O' but it almost fooled HMRC as they are currently taking Carl Weathers to court.

So you're a farmer, then!?

[MyUserName]

Sorted mate. It's a little known fact that a contractor ID badge is the silver bullet against IR35.

So much so that I changed my name to Carl Ontractor.

Of course, that back fired when they gave me an ID badge which read 'Carl O' but it almost fooled HMRC as they are currently taking Carl Weathers to court.

[Rabotnik]

Mine says 'Contractor'!

Sorted mate. It's a little known fact that a contractor ID badge is the silver bullet against IR35.

[psychocandy]

Changed original post now to clarify things....

[BolshieBastard]

This is the biggest problem with IR35 most of us spend time worrying about the small things like my ID badge says "colleague".

Most business wouldn't give a rats ass as long as it opens the security doors for me but someone I have to act like a business and still be worried about this petty tulip.

Mine says 'Contractor'!

[psychocandy]

Going to be working in Italy for next week, so get to be bill for Monday & Tuesday - Ssssssweeeeet!

Might come in Tuesday here. Or WFH. Havent decided yet.

MIL is coming over on monday so theres no chance she'll go home same day so I'd rather at least be earning....

[psychocandy]

Exactly - and in that case, nothing to do with D&C and everything to do with lack of MOO.

Lack of MOO means that the client can instruct you to leave site early and expect to not be billed for (your) lost time.

In this case however, the client is saying that contractors can leave early, which could be taken to mean that:

a) the client is of the opinion that D&C exists to the extent that the contractor normally cannot leave early without permission, and/or

b) the client is of the opinion that MOO exists to the extent that the contractor would require paying unless it is the contractor's own choice to go home early, and/or

c) the client is of the opinion that the contractor has a home to go to.

Either way, psychocandy is stuffed. Best thing is hand yourself in before someone here shops you to the IR35 police.

That, or pretend it never happened and enjoy the long weekend, and the sunshine while it lasts!

I think (a) is what I was on about.

Luckily, this is seems to be a corporate email. In practice (which as we all know is what counts for IR35), I come and go as I please and PM knows this and doesn't care.

Now that would be fun if there was IR35 phone line to dob people in, wouldnt there? :-)
Lucky my limited company isnt called psychocandy ltd then

After all for all you know, I could be an HMRC spy on here.

BTW - Office aint closing early on Friday so I'm staying. Got too much work on anyway.

[rd409]

This is the biggest problem with IR35 most of us spend time worrying about the small things like my ID badge says "colleague".

Most business wouldn't give a rats ass as long as it opens the security doors for me but someone I have to act like a business and still be worried about this petty tulip.

+1

[Sockpuppet]

This is the biggest problem with IR35 most of us spend time worrying about the small things like my ID badge says "colleague".

Most business wouldn't give a rats ass as long as it opens the security doors for me but someone I have to act like a business and still be worried about this petty tulip.

[quackhandle]

"In the event of a fire alarm all permanent staff should make their way to the staff car park. All contractors can burn in Hell for all we care you money grabbing c**ts."

Sincerely Yours ClientCo.



qh

[BolshieBastard]

Fook that, Im not staying past 1pm on a Friday for anyone!

[TheFaQQer]

FTFY

That's how I read it originally anyway.

[Contreras]

I get this from time to time with clients. If the close the office early, I have to leave the premises. Nothing to do with direction and control - just that externals can't be in the office outside of office hours.

Exactly - and in that case, nothing to do with D&C and everything to do with lack of MOO.

Lack of MOO means that the client can instruct you to leave site early and expect to not be billed for (your) lost time.

In this case however, the client is saying that contractors can leave early, which could be taken to mean that:

a) the client is of the opinion that D&C exists to the extent that the contractor normally cannot leave early without permission, and/or

b) the client is of the opinion that MOO exists to the extent that the contractor would require paying unless it is the contractor's own choice to go home early, and/or

c) the client is of the opinion that the contractor has a home to go to.

Either way, psychocandy is stuffed. Best thing is hand yourself in before someone here shops you to the IR35 police.

That, or pretend it never happened and enjoy the long weekend, and the sunshine while it lasts!