Reply to: No notice period?

[tractor]

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I always love the "I could get 25% more somewhere else" argument, if it was that easy why you hanging around where you are

Agreed.

[SimonMac]

I always love the "I could get 25% more somewhere else" argument, if it was that easy why you hanging around where you are

[yamamma]

If you want to get really desperate, then use the line



Of course, as I said in post 2, you can always get out using the MOO clause without needing to give notice, but most agencies and clients don't understand that.

I like that......that's been saved to NVRAM....

[tractor]

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I work for a financial organisation. Been there for over 12 months, however with the latest renewal they have put in 2 week notice period in case they want to get rid of me but no mention of a notice period if I want to quit. Previous contracts were always mutual ie 2 weeks for both parties. I am looking around at the moment and might be in a position where I might want to leave mid contract? However since the current contract doesn't state a notice period, does this mean I can only leave at the end of the contract? Can they stop me from leaving mid contract if I give sufficient time for a handover etc? If they prevent me from leaving, what if I just say I'm too stressed to work - I quit?

If you have not yet signed the new, unacceptable contract, then terminate per the existing terms and go for the next +25% opportunity. I don't honestly see what's difficult about that. If they won't budge on their demands, simply do not accept them. I suspect it's too late though and either by signing or by default (just turning up) that you have already accepted the new terms.

[TheFaQQer]

If you want to get really desperate, then use the line

The people that I get to review my contracts have advised that not having a reciprocal notice period in the contract would be an IR35 pointer, and I wouldn't want to open the client to any unnecessary risk that they might be part of an investigation

Of course, as I said in post 2, you can always get out using the MOO clause without needing to give notice, but most agencies and clients don't understand that.

[curtis]

Obviously depending on your exact situation financially this is what I would do -

It seems like your assuming they won't budge on notice period as someone esle did not get it but have you actually asked.

I would use the negotiation/notice period as the decider.

Say you will take the contract based on a notice period going in the same as the company notice period, if they say no then say I'm off then if that can't be done.

If thats it then decision made for me, if not and they agree then I have notice and can still look elsewhere and in either case this may drag it out a few more days also.

[yamamma]

Jesus, what the hell is there to think about there.

if only it were that simple.....have to renew contract by tomorrow......IF i do get this other position wont get it until i've renewed the contract.....if i dont renew no guarantees that i will get the other role..........if i do get the position then will be difficult to weasel out of renewal as the contract doesn't specify a notice period......

[TheFaQQer]

This is a no brainer then. You have the following options..

a) Take a contract 13% less than another, deskilling you with notice problems...

b)Leave and get everything you want and 25% increase.

Jesus, what the hell is there to think about there...unless it is all talk??

I don't think that they are cut out for contracting.

What do you think?

[TheFaQQer]

Nope but another guy in my team just renegotiated and asked for:
1. 15% pay rise
2. Include clause in contract for 4 weeks notice if he wanted to quit

They came back with we'll give you 12% rise if you drop demand number 2

The next offer then is "either 10% and decent notice" or "15% and no notice".

Depending on when the current contract runs out, don't be pushed into making a decision one way or the other. Get them to give you the paperwork for review, but don't make any committal noises about it until you really have to.

[northernladuk]

Bad news is current role is de-skilling me and know I could find something better and also paying around 25% more.

This is a no brainer then. You have the following options..

a) Take a contract 13% less than another, deskilling you with notice problems...

b)Leave and get everything you want and 25% increase.

Jesus, what the hell is there to think about there...unless it is all talk??

[yamamma]

I hear both sides of the argument - It's a tough one, i'm under pressure to renew by the end of this week so I think I will. Job interview lined up next week so i'll still go to that and if i get the role will see if I can get away with giving a months notice. Problem is i've been de-skilling for a whole year, forgotten to do everything other than tie my shoelaces......

[TheFaQQer]

How much deskilling can you do in 3 months, take the money.

Disagree - if you know you can get 25% more in a better role, then take that role.

know I could find something better and also paying around 25% more.

[Zippy]

I'm in agreement with Wanderer. Times are hard old son, so take the money, put it in the bank and start looking around Feb.

[Wanderer]

So good news is i'll get at least a 12% increase and contract only goes to end of march
Bad news is current role is de-skilling me and know I could find something better and also paying around 25% more.

How much deskilling can you do in 3 months, take the money.

[yamamma]

One other thought - have you tried negotiation in these circumstances to get the contract that you want?

Nope but another guy in my team just renegotiated and asked for:
1. 15% pay rise
2. Include clause in contract for 4 weeks notice if he wanted to quit

They came back with we'll give you 12% rise if you drop demand number 2, so looks like its not up for debate.

So good news is i'll get at least a 12% increase and contract only goes to end of march
Bad news is current role is de-skilling me and know I could find something better and also paying around 25% more.