Acorn Recruitment - Ltd Co Reg Form

[TheFaQQer]

Still no harm asking them the definition.

And if you have another company officer, have more than one shareholder, have sub-contracted work out or the company has an employee you should point that out.

WSS.

"I don't operate through an umbrella company, but through a private limited company incorporated in the UK. Without knowing how you are defining what a 'PSC' is, I cannot complete the form further"

[SueEllen]

I wouldn't mind too much if it were a small tin-pot agency but it is a big one even going as far as having a full-time "Company Lawyer".

Still no harm asking them the definition.

And if you have another company officer, have more than one shareholder, have sub-contracted work out or the company has an employee you should point that out.

[craig1]

To which my response would have been "please tell me what a PSC is, I've never heard of it?" Clueless outfits like that should just fester and fold IMO.

I wouldn't mind too much if it were a small tin-pot agency but it is a big one even going as far as having a full-time "Company Lawyer".

[stek]

Weren't they in the Antiques game once?

[Fred Bloggs]

That's becoming more common now from agencies. One rather large agency got into quite a big hissy-fit with my company as I wasn't comfortable with signing a form that said I was operating through my own PSC. My company isn't a PSC, it's a fully formed and functional consultancy company that I also use for when I do contracting. This was the same agency that wouldn't accept my LLP as a "limited company" and insisted that I must be caught by the MSC legislation. They then said that they were considering applying payroll taxes, if they accepted me at all, as they couldn't guarantee themselves that I was operating through my own PSC.

To which my response would have been "please tell me what a PSC is, I've never heard of it?" Clueless outfits like that should just fester and fold IMO.

[Fred Bloggs]

Actually you're not necessarily an employee of YourCo either, you're a Director and hence an officer. You're only an employee if you have an contract of employment, which puts you in line for NMW, WTD and various other rules, which is why it's not really such a good idea.

But we really shouldn't expect a business concerned with employment law, contract law and recruitment of third party suppliers to understand that...

Spot on. I got a form this week from the agency I'm working through. I returned it with a message saying that I'd filled it in as best I could but it was badly worded, I wasn't an employee, I had no employment contract, I got paid at irregular intervals depending on company finances etc etc etc.... In all, it was supposed to be about AWR and IR35 compliance but it was a total irrelevance as far as I could see.

[craig1]

That's becoming more common now from agencies. One rather large agency got into quite a big hissy-fit with my company as I wasn't comfortable with signing a form that said I was operating through my own PSC. My company isn't a PSC, it's a fully formed and functional consultancy company that I also use for when I do contracting. This was the same agency that wouldn't accept my LLP as a "limited company" and insisted that I must be caught by the MSC legislation. They then said that they were considering applying payroll taxes, if they accepted me at all, as they couldn't guarantee themselves that I was operating through my own PSC.

[malvolio]

You're not self employed, you're an employee of your own LTD company and you're still not if you're through an umbrella, you're employed by the umbrella.


Look, it almost makes sense now......

Actually you're not necessarily an employee of YourCo either, you're a Director and hence an officer. You're only an employee if you have an contract of employment, which puts you in line for NMW, WTD and various other rules, which is why it's not really such a good idea.

But we really shouldn't expect a business concerned with employment law, contract law and recruitment of third party suppliers to understand that...

[TestMangler]

your not self employed, your an employee of your own LTD company and your still not if your through an umbrella, your employed by the umbrella.

You're not self employed, you're an employee of your own LTD company and you're still not if you're through an umbrella, you're employed by the umbrella.


Look, it almost makes sense now......

[Antman]

Just had this from Acorn "As part of new regulation here at Acorn we require ourcontractors t complete a Limited Company/Umbrella registration form."

Form in question asks for personal details about me then these questions:

"I elect to be engaged by Acorn as a Ltd Co Contractor woring via 1) PSC , 2) Umbrella"
"Name of PSC / Umb"
Do you consider yourself to be self-emplyed Y/N?
Are you eligible to work in UK Y/N?

what do people think they are trying to get at?
and is there any danger in providing the info?

Thanks

Bluebird

Spelling mistake almost got to the correct definition of the relationship!

[Support Monkey]

your not self employed, your an employee of your own LTD company and your still not if your through an umbrella, your employed by the umbrella.

[v8gaz]

Ask them for a legal definition of a PSC. There isn't one.

If they insist on using this term its bad for IR35. You are operating a limited company, just like any other limited company.

[TestMangler]

Just had this from Acorn "As part of new regulation here at Acorn we require ourcontractors t complete a Limited Company/Umbrella registration form."

Form in question asks for personal details about me then these questions:

"I elect to be engaged by Acorn as a Ltd Co Contractor woring via 1) PSC , 2) Umbrella"
"Name of PSC / Umb"
Do you consider yourself to be self-emplyed Y/N?
Are you eligible to work in UK Y/N?

what do people think they are trying to get at?
and is there any danger in providing the info?

Thanks

Bluebird

Are you currently in contract with them ?

[Bluebird]

Just had this from Acorn "As part of new regulation here at Acorn we require ourcontractors t complete a Limited Company/Umbrella registration form."

Form in question asks for personal details about me then these questions:

"I elect to be engaged by Acorn as a Ltd Co Contractor woring via 1) PSC , 2) Umbrella"
"Name of PSC / Umb"
Do you consider yourself to be self-emplyed Y/N?
Are you eligible to work in UK Y/N?

what do people think they are trying to get at?
and is there any danger in providing the info?

Thanks

Bluebird