PM Rates for Paris

[MonsieurEvans]

Living and working in France

Hi,

I can offer my own recent experience in France as a contractor.

I have been working as a PM in the south of France since Jan. I'm now looking for something in Paris. The par does indeed seem to be about 500 for a PM there. If your a senior PM, you can probably stretch it to 600-700, particularly in banking.

Concerning accommodation, this is indeed a big pain over here. You can forget going via a rental agency unless you are happy to pay 12 months rent up front. Seriously, I was asked to do this by all rental agencies, and the rental prices down here are around 2k a month.

However, you can go via individuals who are renting. You can check out the following sites, they worked very well for me. We found a nice english couple who were renting a villa, and it worked out a lot easier and cheaper than going via an agency:

AngloINFO - Everything you need for life in another country...
Petites annonces gratuites d'occasion - leboncoin.fr (in french)

For contracts, if you speak french then try:

Freelance-info : Communaut de freelances
Offres d'emploi en banque, finance, comptabilité, assurance & finance de marché en France
Emploi et Recrutement - Recherche emploi et annonces sur Monster.fr

Hope this helps.

Paul

[Fac511]

ISTR that some F1s have bathrooms in some of the rooms, check website obviously. Also try Balladins, Akena, B&B, Bonsai, Kyriad, Premiere Classe, poss Campanile. But Etap is in more places than anyone else.

In Paris there are also plenty of individual hotels, try HRS.

Mate, many thanks for those suggestions - most helpful. FIW if I take this contract I plan to hire a car so will most likely do the budget hotels some nights and then check out the secret 'hidden' hotels on lastminute.com closer to the weekend/when the missus comes over. Gets a bit of balance and saving then. Again, thanks for all your help with this.

[Fred Bloggs]

I am quite with you on that one to be frank. On a long contract a bed really is a bed, as long as its clean and warm of course. RE: F1's, do they still have communal showers/bathrooms though? When I was like 10 I remember staying in them on parents holidays with the communal showers/bogs!

Thanks,
Richard

Good luck, let us know how it pans out. I've been to Paris for leisure but I've shied away from working there, it always seemed too much hassle to be worth it. Needs must though I guess.

[Ignis Fatuus]

I am quite with you on that one to be frank. On a long contract a bed really is a bed, as long as its clean and warm of course. RE: F1's, do they still have communal showers/bathrooms though? When I was like 10 I remember staying in them on parents holidays with the communal showers/bogs!

Thanks,
Richard

ISTR that some F1s have bathrooms in some of the rooms, check website obviously. Also try Balladins, Akena, B&B, Bonsai, Kyriad, Premiere Classe, poss Campanile. But Etap is in more places than anyone else.

In Paris there are also plenty of individual hotels, try www.hrs.com.

[Fac511]

Myself, I'd have no issues staying in a Formule 1 or an ETAP, cheap and cheerful. But not everyone would do that.

I am quite with you on that one to be frank. On a long contract a bed really is a bed, as long as its clean and warm of course. RE: F1's, do they still have communal showers/bathrooms though? When I was like 10 I remember staying in them on parents holidays with the communal showers/bogs!

Thanks,
Richard

[Fred Bloggs]

Thanks very much for that Fred. The research I have found for IT PMs is circa the £500 per day mark.

I have also found that letting in France is pretty much a non goer. It turns out you need a local sponsor in order to lease a place and the whole paperwork can take months to complete. So think its a no go for a short term project - just in case anyone wanted to know!

Myself, I'd have no issues staying in a Formule 1 or an ETAP, cheap and cheerful. But not everyone would do that.

[Fac511]

Thanks very much for that Fred. The research I have found for IT PMs is circa the £500 per day mark.

I have also found that letting in France is pretty much a non goer. It turns out you need a local sponsor in order to lease a place and the whole paperwork can take months to complete. So think its a no go for a short term project - just in case anyone wanted to know!

[Fred Bloggs]

I don't move in IT related PM circles but similar roles in process engineering in Paris seem to be about 650 to 700 Euros a day at the moment. HTH.

[Fac511]

Thanks for the feedback. I too have pounded all the job boards but can't seem to find any rates. Have used itjobswatch.co.uk and searched for London roles, thinking that London should be simular to Paris in terms of living costs. Hoping thats a sensible way to go?

What I am dong is (as you say) just thinking about every expense and using the net to find out how much I can get it for and just making sure it would be profitbale for me. Obviously I do consider the long lunches and Parisain sights in thinking this. Hard though - there is very little on the web for apartment rentals or travel costs.

[Scrag Meister]

Quite a few PM roles in Paris on Jobserve, but NO rates were quoted in the ads.

Work out what you need to work there, Eurostar, Accomodation etc....... and see what is comfortable.

[xchaotic]

The only insight I have is from my technical contractor friends and they say it's very expensive to live there with some sort of style - then you're saying it's not central Paris...
On the flip side on of said friend has agreed to a rate lower than UK because of the work and lifestyle culture - wine with 2hr lunch etc...
Do you intend to be coming back to UK for the weekends etc? If so I imagine Eurostar will be morbidly crowded and expensive during those times.

[Fac511]

Bonjour, allore? Sava, luv? Looks like everyone is too busy contracting in Blighty to reply...

[Fac511]

Hi All,

Just had an offer direct from a client (through an ex contractor colleague who works there) for a Project Manager Role based just outside Paris in Versailles.

Have no idea on rates there - as a ball park figure does anyone know what to expect with 8 years experience? They want to do an 'all in' rate - so pay me a one off daily rate to cover all expenditure/accom etc.

Any help greatly apprecaited - Thanks in advance.