Advise needed

[Congrgatio]

Bit of a pickle really.

From a HR perspective, having one of their permanents’ effect such a flexible routine must be a nightmare - what’s the impact on the rest of the team? You’re never seen and therefore become an outcast and a target.

I agree with the other posters to a certain extent with their comments on your grammar although it is easy to post in the middle of the night, in a rant and then regret it later. When seeking advice or support, is best to ensure that you write coherently, otherwise your message becomes diluted.

Legal advice is the way ahead (I assume your correspondence with the company was well formed and transparent) but consider that if you are in the wrong then you are probably lighting a torch.

Having a child and having a career is a tough move. You probably would find it easier to have a contractor lifestyle but, as all will testify too, it will not be easier. You will have to keep on top of your paperwork et al or walk the umbrella route. Either way you will still have to put in the hours and will have to become a little more 'galvanised' if you wish to succeed in the market.

Did you consider doing a course or getting yourself up to speed on the new software / language? In the world that is IT, you have to flex and grow. Try to learn a new language every year, it will help (and you may get to make Pope one day). Things are always fluid and the wider your skill set, the easier it will be to think of this episode as an inconvenience within a great career. Worse can happen, be a contractor for a couple of years, it will open your eyes.

[SueEllen]

This is not the time to judge communication skills or a person without knowing anything about OP.

Yes it is. Your English is really bad.

I've worked with, am related to and friends with lots of people who have English as a second, third, fourth or even fifth language and their language ability is better than yours. In fact some of them have an English language ability better than mine but that's because they did law degrees.

I suggest you take English lessons. As already mentioned if you are working remotely it's really important that you are understood.

Secondly you need to work in an office where you can speak to people and get people to help you write emails. The majority of people are genuinely happy to help other people improve their language skills if they show they are making an effort.

Also I should add that if your situation is that bad then you need to go and see an employment lawyer and have a word with them. You would be foolish to do anything until then.

Yes you may have to pay the lawyer after the first half hour, but to be honest you haven't indicated in your poorly written post whether you actually complained to the manager in writing about not having the appropriate documentation or training before you where called in to the meeting.

In fact part of the issue could be your failure to improve your English skills but as that could be bordering on discrimination it's easier and legally safer for your boss to pick on something else.

[northernladuk]

Thank you for the all the inputs.

I got to know about this forum when I was speaking to an ex colleague yesterday. Also was told to expect 'any' comments along with genuine advices.No offence meant.

CAB has specific days for employment advice.Trade unions will not represent any existing issues when you join.

I wrote everything in notepad (To avoid session time out) and copy pasted in 2 forums.

I had noticed the line break head aches after reading one of the comments. I do agree...It was difficult to read.Sorry about that.But should have understood someone's situation and ignored typo, grammer,English , punctuations,... .

This is not the time to judge communication skills or a person without knowing anything about OP.

I disagree. You are in a bit of a pickle with your employer and you have posted something very hard to understand. You are right we know nothing about you so have to learn from what you put and the way you put it. It is possible that the communication is part of the issue and only fair to point this out when you post. We are well aware there are always two sides to every story so understanding what might be a problem means you can address it better to fix it. See it from both sides so to speak.

[d000hg]

I wrote everything in notepad (To avoid session time out) and copy pasted in 2 forums.

I had noticed the line break head aches after reading one of the comments. I do agree...It was difficult to read.Sorry about that.But should have understood someone's situation and ignored typo, grammer,English , punctuations,... .

This is not the time to judge communication skills or a person without knowing anything about OP.

Looks like you addressed formatting -it wasn't meant as a complaint but a comment. You might think us judging based on such things is silly, but if you present such a long post it's in your interest to make is easy to read, or people will give up... make it easy for us to help you!

[nomadd]

Permie in Contractor forum with a hope to get some good advice.

I am undergoing pain at this time. Please do not post any hurting responses. Please be gentle.

I'll agree to be honest, which will be much better for you.

I work from home (1/2 of permi's market rate) due to lo...ng commute and family commitments(School going child).

Your problem, not your employers. Probably half the UK population have a "school going child". You should have taken this into consideration when you decided to start a family. And you should have taken the commute into account before you took the job. You sound like an Employer's worst nightmare, TBH.

My suggestion? Try contracting for a few years. Then you'll realise how well off you are at present. I think being an Employer for a few years will help you enormously.

[sbakoola]

If I were you, keep with the permie job. Counter the permie manager's official warning with an 'official 1st stage' complaint against him to HR.

Then whilst you are in the permie job look for another job (which is difficult) but can be done.

When you get the next job, if you get a job offer and then it's retracted due to a negative reference (which will not occur), then like the guys above said, go to a legal person, get proof that they gave you a negative reference, i.e. get get a mate to call up the manger and tape him whilst giving out a reference about you or get a mate who has a limited company and write in for a reference about you.

There's gold in them hills.

[permi]

Thank you for the all the inputs.

I got to know about this forum when I was speaking to an ex colleague yesterday. Also was told to expect 'any' comments along with genuine advices.No offence meant.

CAB has specific days for employment advice.Trade unions will not represent any existing issues when you join.

I wrote everything in notepad (To avoid session time out) and copy pasted in 2 forums.

I had noticed the line break head aches after reading one of the comments. I do agree...It was difficult to read.Sorry about that.But should have understood someone's situation and ignored typo, grammer,English , punctuations,... .

This is not the time to judge communication skills or a person without knowing anything about OP.

[northernladuk]

Yeah you are right, posted on Money Saving expert as well...

Linky

Coupled with my original comment the fact the OP is posting it on random boards that are not tailored to help with his situation I can only come to conclusion I am not surprised he is having problems at work with this employer. The posting and where he has posted it hardly showing he has a grasp on his situation.

Sorry to be harsh but that is how I see it.

[d000hg]

Looked copy-pasted from somewhere else without fixing line-breaks.

[northernladuk]

Might wanna try brushing up on your english and typing abilities once you have sorted this out though. That was a nightmare to read.

If you working remotely requires you to communicate closely with team and that is an example of your communication you can kind of see why they might have a bit of a problem.

[Zippy]

Many employers are covering themselves by only giving factual references these days(i.e. permie worked here between <date> and <date> and was paid £x). If it is a problem and you decide to become a contractor, get a mate to vouch for the quality of your work. Either way, I wouldn't worry about it.

Good luck.

[doodab]

Permie in Contractor forum with a hope to get some good advice.

I am undergoing pain at this time.Please do not post any hurting responses.Please be gentle.

I work from home (1/2 of permi's market rate) due to lo...ng commute and family commitments(School going child).

With that employer for long(4+ years) supporting and enhancing IT application.
New technology upgrade rollout is underway replacing the technology that I am currently supporting. Hence asked to get into

that project(which was nearing deployment) and asked to provide some deliverables for the application which is not documented

properly.I was not trained in the new technology whereas others had undergone training and in that project for long. There

were known infrastructure failures / support team's mistakes which contributed some delays

In spite of all the issues sent across the deliverables to other team members / got the feedback and they were happy with my

work.The manager blamed that I have not done any delivery in last few months.He did not mention any system infrastructure

problem and invited for a HR meeting.
I explained all the details provided evidences in that meeting. I gave them as print outs during HR hearing. No printouts

were taken from me as evidence of proofs.


They decided that I will be issued with warning and i need to work in the office for initial five days ( 6 am -10 pm -

commute and office time together) (which can be extended).
They wanted me to start working in the office from the same day of hearing. But considering my personal situation,I was asked

to start 2 days after.I said Ok and left, came and applied for leave in the system.

What are the consequences of resigning now(before appeal) and fight later( then appeal/take legal action).How this would

affect the references?

If I resign now how this would be seen, I accept and resign/I don't accept and resign/

What are consequences of me applying for a leave in the system...did that mean I agreed for their warning...

I can easily get a new job. I am worried about reference.
Any help and advice much appreciated.


Thanks

They ought to have a grievance procedure. You might also want to join the union.

[chef]

Permie in Contractor forum with a hope to get some good advice.

I am undergoing pain at this time.Please do not post any hurting responses.Please be gentle.

<whine> asked to provide some deliverables

<whinge> blamed that I have not done
<whine> issued with warning

<eventually gets to the question>

What are the consequences of resigning now(before appeal) and fight later( then appeal/take legal action).How this would affect the references?

<which is as far as I can tell not Contractor related in anyway, it's a permie with a grievance wondering about references??>

If I ..I accept ...I don't accept ... What are consequences of .. did that mean..

simple, where there's blame there's a claim, watch a bit of tv, write down the number on the advert, give them a call and see what they say... OR invest some money in a lawyer, tell him your sob story and see if he thinks you have a case.. either way I would offer the advice that you don't become a contractor, you need a thicker skin..

sorry if this sounds harsh but as far as I can see you are a permie, doing a permie job, getting shafted by your employer in a typical permie way and you're not happy with the way you've been treated.. so you write a post at 2am on a COntractor forum for some reason??? try the mumsnet forum, they're very helpful there, trust us, we know.. or go see HR, that's what they're there for..

HTH

Chef

[permi]

Permie in Contractor forum with a hope to get some good advice.

I am undergoing pain at this time.Please do not post any hurting responses.Please be gentle.

I work from home (1/2 of permi's market rate) due to lo...ng commute and family commitments(School going child).

With that employer for long(4+ years) supporting and enhancing IT application.New technology upgrade rollout is underway replacing the technology that I am currently supporting. Hence asked to get into
that project(which was nearing deployment) and asked to provide some deliverables for the application which is not documented properly.I was not trained in the new technology whereas others had undergone training and in that project for long. There were known infrastructure failures / support team's mistakes which contributed some delays.

In spite of all the issues sent across the deliverables to other team members / got the feedback and they were happy with my work.The manager blamed that I have not done any delivery in last few months.He did not mention any system infrastructure problem and invited for a HR meeting. I explained all the details provided evidences in that meeting. I gave them as print outs during HR hearing. No printouts were taken from me as evidence of proofs.


They decided that I will be issued with warning and i need to work in the office for initial five days ( 6 am -10 pm - commute and office time together) (which can be extended). They wanted me to start working in the office from the same day of hearing. But considering my personal situation,I was asked to start 2 days after.I said Ok and left, came and applied for leave in the system.

What are the consequences of resigning now(before appeal) and fight later( then appeal/take legal action).How this would affect the references?

If I resign now how this would be seen, I accept and resign/I don't accept and resign?

What are consequences of me applying for a leave in the system...did that mean I agreed for their warning...

I can easily get a new job. I am worried about reference.
Any help and advice much appreciated.


Thanks