Reply to: DV Cleared - What to do next?

[malvolio]

This was a perm role with HP, the response was from the HR department.

It's no good blaming agencies when the direct employers are just as bad, this must be policy rather than someone not knowing the rules as DV roles aren't exactly easy to fill.

All the more reason to pass it on. It is not only against their own rules, it is worrying that HR don't know them in the first place. The whole reason for the demand for pre-cleared people is coming from the prime contractors like HP disregarding their own contractual obligations. The more they are reported, the more chance we can goad the CO into doing something about it.

[gingerjedi]

So what you do now is pass that whole email conversation to vettinggroup@cabinet-office.x.gsi.gov.uk, with the name of the agency. Every little helps!

This was a perm role with HP, the response was from the HR department.

It's no good blaming agencies when the direct employers are just as bad, this must be policy rather than someone not knowing the rules as DV roles aren't exactly easy to fill.

[malvolio]

Clearly this isn't being enforced so it's worthless, this is an email i received in reply to a permanent job application.:

So what you do now is pass that whole email conversation to vettinggroup@cabinet-office.x.gsi.gov.uk, with the name of the agency. Every little helps!

[JoJoGabor]

In 2009 I applied for a position with the MoD and was provisionally offered the position (complete career change) pending DV Clearance.

On the 15th April I was advised the position was no longer available and placed in the redeployment pool and on the 4th May 2010 the DVA contacted me to let me know my clearance certificate had been issued.

The question I am now asking myself is, will DV clearance be an asset whilst job hunting, bearing in mind that I was hoping to change career?

Any ideas would be appreciated as I just dont know where to start?

Sell secrets to the Russians, its where the money's at nowadays

[gingerjedi]

Just curious, like - but have you read (or heard of) this document...?

http://www.pcg.org.uk/cms/documents/...ce_in_job_.pdf

Clearly this isn't being enforced so it's worthless, this is an email i received in reply to a permanent job application.:

Good Morning,

Both of these posts required current DV which I see from your CV that you haven't got. Also, 549 is not filled and 885 is not based in Cheltenham so would probably be out of your area.

Regards

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Service Delivery Manager
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The worlds largest IT Co.

[malvolio]

I THINK (and please don't quote me on this) that the only time it makes any difference is when it hasn't lapsed (ie in this case). Otherwise I believe they start the vetting process again, and it takes the standard length of string type amount of time.

That said - you SHOULD be at an advantage to anyone who has never been DV cleared, as you're right, you are LESS likely to fail it - unfortunately my experience is that clients dictate immediate start terms, which means clearance needs to be quick and easy for them. Trust me - it's as annoying and frustrating for us, as it is for you!

Just curious, like - but have you read (or heard of) this document...?

http://www.pcg.org.uk/cms/documents/...ce_in_job_.pdf

[SuperZ]

I THINK (and please don't quote me on this) that the only time it makes any difference is when it hasn't lapsed (ie in this case). Otherwise I believe they start the vetting process again, and it takes the standard length of string type amount of time.

That said - you SHOULD be at an advantage to anyone who has never been DV cleared, as you're right, you are LESS likely to fail it - unfortunately my experience is that clients dictate immediate start terms, which means clearance needs to be quick and easy for them. Trust me - it's as annoying and frustrating for us, as it is for you!

Have you ever told them to plan ahead better?

[The Agents View]

What if that DV was 7 years ago? I keep trying to push the point that I've had it before so I'm less of a fail risk but it doesn't seem to hold any weight.

I THINK (and please don't quote me on this) that the only time it makes any difference is when it hasn't lapsed (ie in this case). Otherwise I believe they start the vetting process again, and it takes the standard length of string type amount of time.

That said - you SHOULD be at an advantage to anyone who has never been DV cleared, as you're right, you are LESS likely to fail it - unfortunately my experience is that clients dictate immediate start terms, which means clearance needs to be quick and easy for them. Trust me - it's as annoying and frustrating for us, as it is for you!

[gingerjedi]

As another side note, once DV cleared, especially so recently - getting SC cleared (because GJ is right, DV clearance isn't transferrable) or being Re-DV'd (STD?) is a much quicker process.

What if that DV was 7 years ago? I keep trying to push the point that I've had it before so I'm less of a fail risk but it doesn't seem to hold any weight.

[The Agents View]

It does die but it can be resurrected within 6 months, after that its gone.

As another side note, once DV cleared, especially so recently - getting SC cleared (because GJ is right, DV clearance isn't transferrable) or being Re-DV'd (STD?) is a much quicker process.

[gingerjedi]

IF there are DV cleared jobs going the clearance is a massive benefit. You can often get roles that are nothing like your skill set just because of your clearance..

I was offered a role as a PSO whilst DV'd despite having no experience whatsoever, on the flip side I've applied for countless DV jobs that suit my skill set but never even get a call back since it lapsed.

Just on a side note I also thought DV was role specific and died once you left and is not transferable like SC but never been cleared to that level so not sure. Can someone clarify the exact position.

It does die but it can be resurrected within 6 months, after that its gone.

[northernladuk]

IF there are DV cleared jobs going the clearance is a massive benefit. You can often get roles that are nothing like your skillset just because of your clearance..

I used the big IF because you have to find a role in a location you want to do, within your skillset (roughly) in the time you have. They are not 10 a penny. If you don't mind travelling it is definately a bonus...

Just on a side note I also thought DV was role specific and died once you left and is not transferable like SC but never been cleared to that level so not sure. Can someone clarify the exact position.

[gingerjedi]

DV is supposed to be role specific and laps with the requirement but in reality you've got 6 months so use it or lose it.

[The Agents View]

It depends on what it is you do - DV clearance will be an asset as often the timescales of certain projects don't really have scope for waiting for the process of DV clearance (which can take up to about 4 months!) - you are already cleared, and can hit the ground running straight away - faced with a choice between the two, I don't care WHAT rules are in place, the client will ALWAYS go for a cleared person over a non-cleared.

[Manic]

It'll be an asset for roles which require DV clearance, however the rules are supposed to protect those who aren't from discrimination.