Reply to: "Applications considered from candidates who require a work visa"

[malvolio]

Are those 30,000 votes distributed amoungst swing voters in key constituances? If not then no, they really couldn't care less, they'll leave it to the market which has been cornered by companies that can afford lobbyists.

I'm not saying we should sit on our hands, I've signed the petetions and forwrded them onto eveyone i worked with in IT. I am saying that I would be very surprised if they actually did something about it.

Good job some of us are then, isn't it...

Take a peek over here - http://ictabuse.org/cms/index.php

[the_duderama]

30,000 UK jobs lost and rising. Nah, no votes there at all.

Or do we just sit on our hands and think "Hey, we lost, let's not make a fuss"...?

Are those 30,000 votes distributed amoungst swing voters in key constituances? If not then no, they really couldn't care less, they'll leave it to the market which has been cornered by companies that can afford lobbyists.

I'm not saying we should sit on our hands, I've signed the petetions and forwrded them onto eveyone i worked with in IT. I am saying that I would be very surprised if they actually did something about it.

[malvolio]

He is right, i can't see the why tory's would give a toss, it's not a big vote winner.

30,000 UK jobs lost and rising. Nah, no votes there at all.

Or do we just sit on our hands and think "Hey, we lost, let's not make a fuss"...?

[mobi]

The simple rule of economy says if someone else willing to do your job for lower wage, the job will go to him/her.

Overseas workers who just landed (legally) are often ready to take up jobs at much lower rate (without affecting quality of deliverable). So, there is a demand for them.

Intra Company Transfer candidates are unlikely to apply for this roles as their visa status won't allow to work for other than sponsoring company. Also, ICT is available for big offshore IT firms, who don't take up 1-2 people role jobs advertised in this way. Also from 2010, ICT candidates will be barred from counting their ICT stay in UK towards permanent residency status.

Let's face it - UK IT contracting market is almost dead. The glory days of getting £500-£700/day rate is over. Just accept it and get along with.

[the_duderama]

An interesting, and I believe legitimate, analogy. However, in this case there are links between the major perpetrators and the Labour party so it will never be stopped. If ever the Conservatives take power then these links will be renewed with them instead; so they won’t do anything about it either.

He is right, i can't see the why tory's would give a toss, it's not a big vote winner.

[HairyArsedBloke]

It is actually no different from prostitute trafficking. The workers are stuck on low/lower wages here in the UK and in all liklihood would suffer if they raised their heads above the parapet.

I have absolutely no problem with the concept of offshoring. I also understand why it is necessary for offshore workers to occasionally spend time on client sites. This has however created a grey area that is being exploited by so called "reputable companies.

How can an honest British pimp possibly compete?

An interesting, and I believe legitimate, analogy. However, in this case there are links between the major perpetrators and the Labour party so it will never be stopped. If ever the Conservatives take power then these links will be renewed with them instead; so they won’t do anything about it either.

[DodgyAgent]

what you knuckleheads don't know is that a non-EU applicant sued an employer for discrimination when an ad said they would not accept individuals currently lacking rights-to-work in the UK. So clients and agencies acting on their behalf are only ensuring that that is covered in the text of the ad; it shouldn't be interpreted as "welcoming" non-EU applicants but ensuring that in the ad their ability to apply is articulated.

Please stop the conspiracy theories

You do have a very good point. I have to agree that no one would be stupid enough to put that in an advertisement.. surely? However there is no disguising the fact that the intra company transfer is a total abuse of what it was intended to do.

The emergence of "onshoring, or "near shoring" are simply examples of how this abused and corrupt system has manifested itself into an acceptable contemporary business model.

It is actually no different from prostitute trafficking. The workers are stuck on low/lower wages here in the UK and in all liklihood would suffer if they raised their heads above the parapet.

I have absolutely no problem with the concept of offshoring. I also understand why it is necessary for offshore workers to occasionally spend time on client sites. This has however created a grey area that is being exploited by so called "reputable companies.

How can an honest British pimp possibly compete?

[MPwannadecentincome]

what you knuckleheads don't know is that a non-EU applicant sued an employer for discrimination when an ad said they would not accept individuals currently lacking rights-to-work in the UK. So clients and agencies acting on their behalf are only ensuring that that is covered in the text of the ad; it shouldn't be interpreted as "welcoming" non-EU applicants but ensuring that in the ad their ability to apply is articulated.

Please stop the conspiracy theories

yeah like £90-£150 is not the giveaway clue?

[HairyArsedBloke]

What we need is some kind of SWAT team to turn up and give all the on-shore guys a run-through to make sure the system is not being abused.

I'd pay serious money to be there to watch that happen.

[vjmac108]

what you knuckleheads don't know is that a non-EU applicant sued an employer for discrimination when an ad said they would not accept individuals currently lacking rights-to-work in the UK. So clients and agencies acting on their behalf are only ensuring that that is covered in the text of the ad; it shouldn't be interpreted as "welcoming" non-EU applicants but ensuring that in the ad their ability to apply is articulated.

Please stop the conspiracy theories

[RichardCranium]

What we need is some kind of SWAT team to turn up and give all the on-shore guys a run-through to make sure the system is not being abused.

Sadly, the task of creating such a team would go to EDS or Fujitsu or another of the overseas outfits the government uses so as to hide the fact there are more public sector workers now than there have ever been. They in turn would probably recruit from overseas...

[singhr]

I do. Link.

Thanks for link. I've looked at it before and not sure it's what I had in mind. Mainly because all my 'evidence' is circumstantial (based on one on-shore/off-shore guy telling me how poorly he and his colleagues were paid). Also I have heard David Metcalf from MAC talk on R4 and concluded he is paper tiger trotting out party line. What we need is some kind of SWAT team to turn up and give all the on-shore guys a run-through to make sure the system is not being abused.

[Numpty]

It's happening at MyClientCo and I can't do a damm thing about it unless you know better.

I do. Link.

[tim123]

It's happening at MyClientCo and I can't do a damm thing about it unless you know better.

what's happening.

They are bringing over new recruits on ICTs. This is not allowed and you can report them to (somebody).

OTOH if they are long standing overseas employees, then there is nothing you can do about it

tim

[singhr]

These jobs are not on the skills list that enables companies to obtain work permits for overseas nationals. It has to be for some company with offices in the UK and abroad (India) who have the ability to obtain intra company work permits. This is a total abuse of the work permit system.

It's happening at MyClientCo and I can't do a damm thing about it unless you know better.