Reply to: Notice period Issue?

[Dom1971]

Would tend to agree that the benefits of being a contractor cut both ways.

Namely that whilst contractors in general are rightly the first to complain about unethical practices being used by some agents / clientco's, it would seem that we should honour our contractual obligations and where possible act ethically (subject to contract !) and professionally ourselves.

[DodgyAgent]

That was a low blow LOL

When I first began as a professional developer, I worked alongside a much older, wiser contractor who took me under his wing. He was very good at what he did - probably better than I ever will be - but what I really remember was how ethical he was in terms of dealings his with other people. One of the things he said to me was "You have absolutely no control over how well other people treat you. What you do have control over is how well you treat other people". Sounds cheesey on the forum but in the context of the conversation we were having at the time, it was entirely relevant ... and, indeed, quite relevant to this thread, I think.

[lightng]

Have you ever thought of raising your ethics and becoming a recruitment agent?

That was a low blow LOL

When I first began as a professional developer, I worked alongside a much older, wiser contractor who took me under his wing. He was very good at what he did - probably better than I ever will be - but what I really remember was how ethical he was in terms of dealings his with other people. One of the things he said to me was "You have absolutely no control over how well other people treat you. What you do have control over is how well you treat other people". Sounds cheesey on the forum but in the context of the conversation we were having at the time, it was entirely relevant ... and, indeed, quite relevant to this thread, I think.

[ratewhore]

I think the recent Dragonfly case demonstrates that you have to show a history of doing the things which IR35 implies, not just the ability to.

Any word on the follow up action for employee rights?

[DodgyAgent]

Yeah, I'm with dodgy on this one.

If you want to leave, grow a pair and work your notice, don't make up some rubbish to walk straight out.

And incidentally, I still take the view you should substitute yourself.

Or at least help the client to refill the position and do not leave until he has

[TheBigYinJames]

Nah, just have the ability to do so.

I think the recent Dragonfly case demonstrates that you have to show a history of doing the things which IR35 implies, not just the ability to.

[NickNick]

And if you are complying with IR35, shouldn't you do this?

Nah, just have the ability to do so.

[TheBigYinJames]

And incidentally, I still take the view you should substitute yourself.

And if you are complying with IR35, shouldn't you do this?

[ratewhore]

Yeah, I'm with dodgy on this one.

If you want to leave, grow a pair and work your notice, don't make up some rubbish to walk straight out.

And incidentally, I still take the view you should substitute yourself.

[DodgyAgent]

He is! Any business should target the best opportunity to make the most money with least effort whilst increasing future potential revenue. That is exactly what he is doing.

What you suggest, in effect, misplaced loyalty is a permie traite.

You are an example of the ugly side of contractors and your attitude stinks. You are an entirely selfish and arrogant little pr**k who looks upona clientin an opportunistic way. Fortunately you represent only a very tiny minority.
Have you ever thought of raising your ethics and becoming a recruitment agent?

[EqualOpportunities]

<DodgyAgent>
Oh well that's OK then, as long as you are happy f**k em. Why a one week notice period? why dont you just say that a family member has died and walk straight out. They won't question that one.

Rember those that you s**t on on the way up won't forget you on your way back down.
</DodgyAgent>

looks to me as a threatning word. btw, you should use the right words before putting it for public.

if one of your family member is died then you would it feel the pain.

watch your words. Iam sure you must be an agent.... don't go personal... maintain your distance...

What a fscking pillock. Come on now, play by the rules or just fsck off - one or the other.

Oh - an English course would probably help too. Good luck with your ILR application

[Beefy198]

Exactly, how can we whinge about clients and agencies dumping on us if we are happy to do the same?

Anyone who says "but they do it so we should too" doesn't realise that that just starts us on a race to the bottom.

[TykeMerc]

I cannot believe some of the views in this thread. No wonder people hate us and we have a bad rep.

Exactly, that's why I make a point of checking out contractors that I don't know with my contacts, if they come back with negative comments I won't have them as part of my project teams.
For the last 17 and now approaching 18 years as a contractor I've increasingly had to defend myself against the reputation created by amateurish and unreliable contractors, as a result I despise people who will just dump a contract because they've found a slightly nicer one.

I'm fed up with having to tell Agents and Clients that I've never walked off a contract, I've given extended notice once and refused to extend on two occasions, but making up a pathetic excuse and just not showing up isn't something I will do.

Yes I know perfectly well that Clients will terminate with minimal notice, but I set myself higher standards in an attempt to counter the lousy reputation that contractors have at almost every Client. Leaving on good terms is good for business.

[Beefy198]

I cannot believe some of the views in this thread. No wonder people hate us and we have a bad rep.

[swamp]

Banks don't show much integrity to contractors:

http://news.hereisthecity.com/news/b...ews/8401.cntns

If you really want to leave, hand in your notice and tell the agent you can start in two weeks. If the current client doesn't let you go early, then tell them you're going on holiday, or phone in sick for the last two weeks. It's not nice, it's not 'professional', but you'll probably get away with it.