References & IR35

[oracleslave]

When they are satisfied with your services, it's very common for you to be offered more work. If you never get repeat business, then that's indicative of perhaps being a bit crap.

Agreed, I guess I just wouldn't use it as the sole criteria for differentiating between 2 candidates.

[NotAllThere]

When they are satisfied with your services, it's very common for you to be offered more work. If you never get repeat business, then that's indicative of perhaps being a bit crap.

IBM and the like don't work on one project then move on, they want the project after that, and the one after that.

I must confess though, that currently on the seventh renewal with the same client, I find it gets a bit tedious. Then I think of the money, and remind myself I'm only 20 minutes from home.

[oracleslave]

I look at number of renewals as a more indicative guide to quality.

That sounds daft to me. That could just be an indication that the contractor didn't finish the work in the allocated time provided by the original contract. Unless you are just hiring permie tractors for the public sector I thought the premise behind being a contractor was finishing a piece of work in the agreed to timeframe and then moving on?

[TheBigYinJames]

I look at number of renewals as a more indicative guide to quality.

On my recent CV revamp, I put number and length of renewals on the top of each contract section in the employment history. Seems to work.

[NotAllThere]

Really. I've seen quite a few references, and they've been without exception, pretty bland. Because of the risk of litigation, many HR departments will only confirm that the candidate worked there, and the dates. Open references can be ignored anyway.

In France, you use references when you hire domestic staff. Not for professionals. In Switzerland references are open and have to be agreed.

I look at number of renewals as a more indicative guide to quality.

[Another Dodgy Agent]

Bullcocks. If I have 2 candidates I can't decide about, I toss a coin. References are irrelevant.

ReallY?

[oracleslave]

Bullcocks. If I have 2 candidates I can't decide about, I toss a coin. References are irrelevant.

I only look for references when I am really struggling to decide between two candidates. My field is typically small enough that I will either know the references or know someone that I trust that knows them. Then I'm only a phone call away from deciding between them.

[NotAllThere]

Blimey well no offence but I hope I don't bump into you on a gig. I will present references on interview for my candidates because it can influence the final decision. If hiring manager has 2 candidates he cannot decide about, then the one with the references will always win through.

now you can quote "bullcocks" on this but I have witnessed it too many times, it is often a good deal maker.

Bullcocks. If I have 2 candidates I can't decide about, I toss a coin. References are irrelevant.

[downsouth]

Blimey well no offence but I hope I don't bump into you on a gig. I will present references on interview for my candidates because it can influence the final decision. If hiring manager has 2 candidates he cannot decide about, then the one with the references will always win through.

now you can quote "bullcocks" on this but I have witnessed it too many times, it is often a good deal maker.

OK so not knowing your knowledge of IT jobs how can you obtain a reference that is of benefit to the client, I ask this because you have a vested interest in getting your candidate to gain the gig so 'your reference' will obviously be glowing.

Another thing with obtaining references is that many companies simply dont give out references other than to confirm that a person has worked at a company between X dates and the job title performed, so how is this useful at all

[Another Dodgy Agent]

I got asked for references today by an agent for a client that I've already been interviewed by, "just to give me that edge".

I fully realized at that stage that I had not secured the contract and that the agent was not willing to inform me of this and was just giving me false hope in order to scam me for references.

< Eliquant in: No S*it Sherlock, try and get one past me Mr. Agent, mode>


As to how these references relate to IR35, I haven't got a Scooby.

Blimey well no offence but I hope I don't bump into you on a gig. I will present references on interview for my candidates because it can influence the final decision. If hiring manager has 2 candidates he cannot decide about, then the one with the references will always win through.

now you can quote "bullcocks" on this but I have witnessed it too many times, it is often a good deal maker.

[NotAllThere]

We have seen that many agents are insisting on references.
If they collect references (issued to you as a candidate and not to your limited company), does it mean that the contract will be inside IR35?

NO

[badger7579]

Do a tiny weeny bit of reasearch for ****S sake

[eliquant]

I got asked for references today by an agent for a client that I've already been interviewed by, "just to give me that edge".

I fully realized at that stage that I had not secured the contract and that the agent was not willing to inform me of this and was just giving me false hope in order to scam me for references.

< Eliquant in: No S*it Sherlock, try and get one past me Mr. Agent, mode>


As to how these references relate to IR35, I haven't got a Scooby.

[cojak]

The questions you have been asking are along the lines of "will kissing make me pregnant?" I would suggest reading the first-timers section of this website and using search.

[NewWorld123]

We have seen that many agents are insisting on references.
If they collect references (issued to you as a candidate and not to your limited company), does it mean that the contract will be inside IR35?