Reply to: Permitractor theory

[Churchill]

Because Joe Public hasn't the faintest idea about how HMRC approaches thier work; if you're on PAYE they're largely invisible.

The PR from the PCG is all about getting HMRC to have a duty of care; right now (as Montpelier's "clients" are discovering) as long as they get their cut, they don't care what collateral damage they cause. Arctic was another example. £500k and five years spent to recover a £7k bill that might have resulted in a gross annual tax recovery of no more than £200m. Geoff Jones is a strong and determined man and Diana went through several kinds of hell over that case; a weaker pair would have crumbled long before. Not exactly the way we want our country run, is it?

On a similar note, it looks like HMRC have dropped a couple of bollocks regarding peoples NI contributions. This time it looks like "IT" is helping.

BBC News - MP Ian Liddell-Grainger warns of £1.3bn misplaced NICs

[malvolio]

PCG want the government to be open and honest!!!!

In so many areas we are not treated as citizens we are treated as scum. The amazing thing is that joe public has not invaded Downing Street and strung the prime minister and all MPs up.

Because Joe Public hasn't the faintest idea about how HMRC approaches thier work; if you're on PAYE they're largely invisible.

The PR from the PCG is all about getting HMRC to have a duty of care; right now (as Montpelier's "clients" are discovering) as long as they get their cut, they don't care what collateral damage they cause. Arctic was another example. £500k and five years spent to recover a £7k bill that might have resulted in a gross annual tax recovery of no more than £200m. Geoff Jones is a strong and determined man and Diana went through several kinds of hell over that case; a weaker pair would have crumbled long before. Not exactly the way we want our country run, is it?

[chris79]

Chris, the "BASIC" program in your "sig" is as buggy as a dead buffalo, you should use the ":" as an end of statement indicator, not the ";".

Hope that helps. Get it right and I might take you seriously, not that it matters.

Churchill - In "Roast Pork Belly nearly ready, who wants some?" mode!

Well thanks for that information, I'm not a programmer by trade and it was done from memory (all the way back in the 80s when I was a kid), so I guess it could potentially have bugs in.

It was meant more as a joke going back to when I first joined up on here and got flamed for not using the search button, but I can see how the anal people on here might pick up on this as it must stick in their eye like a sharp object every time their brain subconsciously debugs it; for that reason alone I won't be changing it he he! (Not that it matter right)!

If you can't take my posts seriously because of this flaw, then I won't be losing any sleep over it.

[BrilloPad]

For those of you who do care about the world around them, have a bit of light reading (there's an summary for the time-pressed or easily distracted...). It will put some of the above into persepctive.

http://www.pcg.org.uk/taxpositionpaper

PCG want the government to be open and honest!!!!

In so many areas we are not treated as citizens we are treated as scum. The amazing thing is that joe public has not invaded Downing Street and strung the prime minister and all MPs up.

[Churchill]

This was directed at professionals running a limited company, not agency staff or umbrella staff so I guess it might not apply to everyone on this forum. Sorry to waste your time!

Chris, the "BASIC" program in your "sig" is as buggy as a dead buffalo, you should use the ":" as an end of statement indicator, not the ";".

Hope that helps. Get it right and I might take you seriously, not that it matters.

Churchill - In "Roast Pork Belly nearly ready, who wants some?" mode!

[shoes]

For those of you who do care about the world around them, have a bit of light reading

Had a quick look. It would be nice wouldn't it.

You're dealing with incompetent people in the main who went straight from being socialist worker reading uni nutjobs doing lentil recipe degrees into government. They will never get it. I'm not saying it isn't worth trying to be reasonable with these people, but I don't fancy your chances.

[ratewhore]

company's

You are a business aren't you?

No, I'm not. I'm a separate legal entity from my company...

[oracleslave]

It's each individuals job to position themselves correctly with the client. I get some stick from fellow 'contractors' about my attitude to the client and my working practices, but it is exactly that which gives me a higher level of confidence that I am acting professionally as a supplier to the client (albeit through the agency), rather than a bum-on-seat temp...

company's

You are a business aren't you?

[ratewhore]

It's each individuals job to position themselves correctly with the client. I get some stick from fellow 'contractors' about my attitude to the client and my working practices, but it is exactly that which gives me a higher level of confidence that I am acting professionally as a supplier to the client (albeit through the agency), rather than a bum-on-seat temp...

[malvolio]

For those of you who do care about the world around them, have a bit of light reading (there's an summary for the time-pressed or easily distracted...). It will put some of the above into persepctive.

http://www.pcg.org.uk/taxpositionpaper

[Fred Bloggs]

After 5 years and about 10 different contracts, myself, I'd say 99% of clients DO just want a temp. I'm forced through the ltd co route whether I want it or not. I do NOT want to be an employee though.

[chris79]

i have a Ltd company, but cuz i have to (its the most efficient way of working as a contractor) If I was able to work as a freelancer and have all the Ltd company benefit, then i would've done that.... have no ambition of becoming a consultancy or any other kind of supply business... just want to work as a contractor, earn good money, that's all

So you are a limited co, but don't care about the implications of IR35 then (in summary). Well some of us do, as there is a large financial penalty at stake, so feel free to run your business (because whether you like it or not, that's what it is) how you wish, but don't try and make out everyone should adopt your approach based on the insecure and flawed reasons you stated.

(Unless of course you are paying full PAYE like a good girl).

[SandyDown]

i have a Ltd company, but cuz i have to (its the most efficient way of working as a contractor) If I was able to work as a freelancer and have all the Ltd company benefit, then i would've done that.... have no ambition of becoming a consultancy or any other kind of supply business... just want to work as a contractor, earn good money, that's all

[Moscow Mule]

I'd much rather be self-employed, but poorly thought through legislation ****ed that option a while ago.

[thunderlizard]

Well, there are also a bunch of people who get a bit of sympathy from me.

These are the people who would prefer to be temporary employees, but get told by their agencies that the only way to operate is to set up a limited company that is only ever going to be a bit of a sham.