Reply to: Moving into project management

[GreenerGrass]

Yellow, get a contract with TfL. They'll take absolutely anyone as a project manager.

[Dow Jones]

Different PMs for different projects

The most demanding ones are the one-off, unique-type solution implementation where costs and time are paramount. However, you'll find that if you have a good business knowledge and technical background which will help put and keep together a good team, these can be a lot less stressful than other, run-of-the-mill ones where everyone needs to be cajoled/prodded/pushed to get it done. So my preference will be for the commercial ones purely on the buzz- and self-motivation factors.

[Peter Loew]

Order, ORDER !!
Going back to discussing PMs, I have seen a lot of chancers being quickly escorted off the premises when trying to be a PM when clearly are lacking the skills and experience. It is such a high-profile and highly visible position that you are not going to get away with much.
Seen lately the trend to follow on the PM bandwagon - if there is one indeed - by quite a few here that appear clueless and frankly incapable of managing themselves, let alone a team that a PM has to. Nothing personal or directed to any of the above posters, just a general observation.

I have (and do) worked in a PM team where the client asked for one of my PMs to be escorted out of the building permanently; of course the supplier pushed back and now we 'hide' him in the team. Success as a PM does not just depend on your skills and experience, but equally your attitude to your work and to other people.

However, your ability to do the role also depends on the kind of PM role you are going for. Most PM roles I have done have been supplier PM roles rather than on commercial projects, and there tends to be a distinct difference in both personality type and attention to detail in these two different PM areas, I have noticed - what do you think?

[Dow Jones]

Order!

Order, ORDER !!
Going back to discussing PMs, I have seen a lot of chancers being quickly escorted off the premises when trying to be a PM when clearly are lacking the skills and experience. It is such a high-profile and highly visible position that you are not going to get away with much.
Seen lately the trend to follow on the PM bandwagon - if there is one indeed - by quite a few here that appear clueless and frankly incapable of managing themselves, let alone a team that a PM has to. Nothing personal or directed to any of the above posters, just a general observation.

[Xil3]

Ah yes - you're the nob who thinks his bank should play the role of his mummy, and keep all his money in a ickle box for him to stop him over-spending.

You'll make a brilliant PM if you can't even manage that sort of simple task yourself.

You're clearly as dumb as you are ignorant. I never said I couldn't manage the money... the issue was that I wasn't aware of the system here, as I was new to the country.

Although, I'll admit one thing (something you'd obviously be too proud to do)... I was wrong to think that the banks should lose the test case. They would just introduce other charges to even it out. So, I stand corrected on that matter...

[51st State]

Temper temper Mr. hypocrit...

You've got me all wrong again, but that's alright. Arguing with you is like beating a dead horse, which I'm not prepared to do.

And yes, we have bumped heads in another thread in the past, but I'm not going to dig that up as well.

When you refered to "us proper PMs", I don't suppose you were referring to yourself were you? I wouldn't think so. You cease to be credible when all you do is talk sh*t and put people down.

Ah yes - you're the nob who thinks his bank should play the role of his mummy, and keep all his money in a ickle box for him to stop him over-spending.

You'll make a brilliant PM if you can't even manage that sort of simple task yourself.

[Xil3]

Temper, temper.

That'll be one thing that you can't display when you lie your way into a PM role that you're neither qualified for, nor can do. It's your sort who give us proper PMs a bad name. And mean that we have to drop our rates to compete with twats like you who think the job looks a piece of piss, 'cos you've "done a bit of team leading" and think you can pass the exams.

Once you've had some extensive experience of wiping the arses of your development teams (wherever they be) and kissing the ass of your business face-offs, and have delivered some real benefit then come back and tell me I'm being judgemental.

And as for me always being the first to post negative comments, you obviously live in cuckoo land pal. I haven't replied to any of your posts previously as far as I'm aware; mind you the next one will just be answered with F*** Off, you prat.

Temper temper Mr. hypocrit...

You've got me all wrong again, but that's alright. Arguing with you is like beating a dead horse, which I'm not prepared to do.

And yes, we have bumped heads in another thread in the past, but I'm not going to dig that up as well.

When you refered to "us proper PMs", I don't suppose you were referring to yourself were you? I wouldn't think so. You cease to be credible when all you do is talk sh*t and put people down.

[51st State]

I don't apply for positions that I can't do...

As always, you're the first to post a negative and judgemental comment. Next time please read the whole ******* thread before sharing your thoughts...

Temper, temper.

That'll be one thing that you can't display when you lie your way into a PM role that you're neither qualified for, nor can do. It's your sort who give us proper PMs a bad name. And mean that we have to drop our rates to compete with twats like you who think the job looks a piece of piss, 'cos you've "done a bit of team leading" and think you can pass the exams.

Once you've had some extensive experience of wiping the arses of your development teams (wherever they be) and kissing the ass of your business face-offs, and have delivered some real benefit then come back and tell me I'm being judgemental.

And as for me always being the first to post negative comments, you obviously live in cuckoo land pal. I haven't replied to any of your posts previously as far as I'm aware; mind you the next one will just be answered with F*** Off, you prat.

[Xil3]

Exaggerate a little bit = lie about length/breadth of experience. Take a role that you can't do. Devalue further the general client perception of contract PMs (and your EB) and lower your rate to take the gig from someone who can actually do the job?

I once knocked up a macro in Excel, does that mean I can be an Oracle team leader?

Thanks for that

I don't apply for positions that I can't do...

As always, you're the first to post a negative and judgemental comment. Next time please read the whole ******* thread before sharing your thoughts...

[Peter Loew]

Exaggerate a little bit = lie about length/breadth of experience. Take a role that you can't do. Devalue further the general client perception of contract PMs (and your EB) and lower your rate to take the gig from someone who can actually do the job?

I once knocked up a macro in Excel, does that mean I can be an Oracel team leader?

Thanks for that

Obviously, you have to be confident you can do the role. It would be silly to exaggerate about something you have no idea about.

[51st State]

Yeah, my plan was to exagerate a little bit... but only after I get a firm understanding of some concepts. So, I'm going to wait until I get my PRINCE2 certification before I start applying (which should be in mid April).

Thanks for that though.

Exaggerate a little bit = lie about length/breadth of experience. Take a role that you can't do. Devalue further the general client perception of contract PMs (and your EB) and lower your rate to take the gig from someone who can actually do the job?

I once knocked up a macro in Excel, does that mean I can be an Oracle team leader?

Thanks for that

[Dow Jones]

Just so that you know...

Make sure you don't 'exaggerate' any Prince2 qualifications as there is a register kept for all those that have passed both at Foundation and Practitioner level.

[Xil3]

It's really very easy, you massage or exaggerate the past couple of roles on your CV to reflect more of a technical PM stance, and then apply for PM roles with the frame of mind that you are, in fact, an experienced project manager.

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Yeah, my plan was to exagerate a little bit... but only after I get a firm understanding of some concepts. So, I'm going to wait until I get my PRINCE2 certification before I start applying (which should be in mid April).

Thanks for that though.

[PM-Junkie]

...or you could be a PM for over 10 years, take an MBA, follow that up with a PMP - then sit back and giggle at what a basically useless heap of garbage Prince 2 is.

[Peter Loew]

How does one get his foot in the door (refer to my original question up top as well)?

It's really very easy, you massage or exaggerate the past couple of roles on your CV to reflect more of a technical PM stance, and then apply for PM roles with the frame of mind that you are, in fact, an experienced project manager.

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