Reply to: Permie Pressure.....

[d000hg]

Why on earth can't you take it and then quit if good contracts start appearing? A 1-month notice period is pretty standard so you're hardly trapped in for life.

Plus, is £45k the best offer? You already know the job so you should get a chunk more than a new hire... if you're not too bothered I'd push on that.

[fadanoid]

Are you mad? You're just down the road from two of the cushiest gigs in UK Contracting history - Astra Zeneca and Barclays at Radbroke Hall. You're seriously considering swapping that for a permie job that entails taking on the M62 twice a day?

Alf Explain PLEASE.

I'm begging ya

[arthur_cider]

That's it, don't want to relocate to Bradistan. Mind you, I have the local mafia on my case over the neighbours parking.....

60 miles is not too much to do on empty roads, right? Or am I kidding myself?...

Sounds like you've already made your mind up, so why ask?

[Alf W]

Are you mad? You're just down the road from two of the cushiest gigs in UK Contracting history - Astra Zeneca and Barclays at Radbroke Hall. You're seriously considering swapping that for a permie job that entails taking on the M62 twice a day?

[El_Diablo]

Don't do it. You are a contractor. Resist.

Just my 2 pence/cents

[DiscoStu]

That's it, don't want to relocate to Bradistan. Mind you, I have the local mafia on my case over the neighbours parking.....

60 miles is not too much to do on empty roads, right? Or am I kidding myself?...

I did a hundred mile drive every day for 6 months in my last permie job. It starts off ok, then after a couple of months it starts to grind. A couple of months after that you begin to dread it, and before you know it you've quit your permie job and gone contracting...

[ChimpMaster]

That's it, don't want to relocate to Bradistan. Mind you, I have the local mafia on my case over the neighbours parking.....

60 miles is not too much to do on empty roads, right? Or am I kidding myself?...

60 miles is OK when you're a contractor earning good money. You know that the travel is only temporary and you rake in the money while you can. So you put up with the 60 miles.

But when you're permanent it'll become a grind - day in , day out ... 60 miles there, 60 back... 3 hours a day, 15 hours a week ... you might as well be working an extra 2 days every week! The motivation isn't quite the same.

I travel 3 hours a day / 15 hours a week, but it's on a train so I read or watch programmes on my Archos. I'm also a contractor ... and hence why I put up with it.

I'm not saying don't take the job, just think about whether you can put up with the situation 6 months down the line. -- Good luck.

[Wilmslow]

If you like the job, the salary and the location then relocate, take it!

That's it, don't want to relocate to Bradistan. Mind you, I have the local mafia on my case over the neighbours parking.....

60 miles is not too much to do on empty roads, right? Or am I kidding myself?...

[arthur_cider]

Well, left at 3pm today due to snow. No problems at all, home by 4pm!!

I could get very used to trading some money for security and getting home for 4pm most days. Not so cool leaving home at 6am, but, really great to have a life and be back in my own home at 4pm every day.

Wish I could leave at 3 every day as a contractor!

The permie salary is the best I will ever get. Just a shame the fliping place is 60 odd miles away, but only an hour out of rush hour

If you like the job, the salary and the location then relocate, take it!

[Wilmslow]

Well, left at 3pm today due to snow. No problems at all, home by 4pm!!

I could get very used to trading some money for security and getting home for 4pm most days. Not so cool leaving home at 6am, but, really great to have a life and be back in my own home at 4pm every day.

Wish I could leave at 3 every day as a contractor!

The permie salary is the best I will ever get. Just a shame the fecking place is 60 odd miles away, but only an hour out of rush hour

[Ardesco]

The figure was an example, however most small training courses are going to cost a company in the £1500 region so a £2000 budget really isn't that high.

I have some permie freinds who have got training written into thier contracts when they have switched jobs so it is quite possible to do, a permie contract is still subject to negotiation. you don't just have to bed over and take it you know.

[miffy]

Also worth getting any training written into your contract (e.g. Wilmslow will get a £2000 training budget every year) to make sure that they don't promise you the world, then convenianty run out of cash for training when you start.

A nice idea in principle, the reality is they won't do that. Even if you could convince them to put the figure in there, they'll be another clause "Wilmslow" will pay it all (or most of it) back to us when he leaves!

£2000 a year training budget, I only ever had half that and was forced to spend it on things that were irrelevant and not useful to my permie career or life as a contractor.

It is tempting to go permie, but I'd only consider it now if the job was less than 30 mins from my house. The commuting costs and extra grief just aren't worth it.

Wilmslow, do your sums with the commuting costs etc and your net take home pay. That will help you make up your mind if you can afford to do it (or want to take a big pay cut).

I was on over 50K in my last permie roll (which includes the car allowance), but after the taxman has taken his cut you're left with peanuts. As for the "sick pay" I was allowed either 10 days or three incidents of sickness and that was it. SSP then (ouch).

[oracleslave]

Also worth getting any training written into your contract (e.g. Wilmslow will get a £2000 training budget every year) to make sure that they don't promise you the world, then convenianty run out of cash for training when you start.

conveniently

[Ardesco]

Also worth getting any training written into your contract (e.g. Wilmslow will get a £2000 training budget every year) to make sure that they don't promise you the world, then convenianty run out of cash for training when you start.

[moorfield]

If they can throw in any training as part of the package that can extend your CV in future it might be worth going for. I did a brief perm role in the grim days of 2001-02 and managed to come out of it 9 months later with all Sun certification and some MCSD modules. Oh and some discounted shares too.

But for me personally the deciding factor would be whether the client makes you do those carppy objective setting / appraisals / school report things, which as we all know readers are utter tosh and just designed to give your boss an excuse not to give you a bonus at the end of the year.