Reply to: An unwanted day off....

[weemster]

word.

[Bluebird]

no I want the last word....

Word.

[NotAllThere]

I have never seen the word 'sez' being substituted for 'says' in any well written article penned by a professional writer or journalist.

A dictionary may well include colloquialisms, but that doesn't mean that using them means that a piece is well written.

Quite right. And if I was writing one of my pieces for a magazine, I wouldn't use it. But colloquialism and idiom are as appropriate for online forums as smileys. Which also wouldn't be used by professional writers or journalists in a well-written article.

I hope your computer code and your grasp of the latest techie geeky IT gobbledegook is a lot more up to date than your knowledge of English.

Nah. Never could get the hang of geek-speak.

You can have the last word now, if you like.

[cojak]

Wrong. It shows direction and control. Not a good Ir35 pointer. Depending on how the client phrases your 'day off' (which is a very permie term anway). If the client told you that there's no work for you to do, then fine. If they said, they aren't willing to pay even if there is work and it is used as a way of getting you to conform to normal working and vacation patterns so you can't be an exception that's not so good.

No freelancer is told when they can and can't work, when the work is there.

I don't agree with you on this, but I guess it's a matter of interpretation - one man's D&C is another man's lack of MOO.

ESM1071 - Detailed guide to determining status: mutuality of obligation states that "There must be an irreducible minimum of mutual obligation for there to be a contract of service [ie. inside IR35]. That irreducible minimum is

• that the engager must be obliged to pay a wage or other remuneration, and
  that the worker must be obliged to provide his or her own work or skill.

Although it does state that this alone doesn't make you inside IR35, which is why I said that a lack of this is a pointer.

Note that is doesn't add "if there's work for you to do"

(Also I tell them when I am unavailable to them, I don't ask their permission)

More information on HMRC IR35 interview notes can be found here

And here's general guidance advice.

With the information here guys, you can make up your own minds rather than watching us bicker with Denny

There's nothing to beat the horse's mouth, eh?

(NB. contract of service = inside Ir35; contract of services = outside IR35)

HTH

[Denny]

You mean I had to change my signature to spell it out before you realised? And you call me stupid!

"As any fule kno'" and "sez you" were around long before text speak.

Funnily enough, it turns out that I DO have a dictionary on my bookshelf - the shorter OED in two volumes. And "sez" is to be found in there. Verb transitive and intransitive, a colloquialism from the mid 19th century. For further instruction, the reader is invited to see the entry under "says", and "says you", much as I defined it, is also there.

My knowledge of English is better than yours. Yah-boo sucks.

Who takes any notice of 19th century chavs - eh!

I have never seen the word 'sez' being substituted for 'says' in any well written article penned by a professional writer or journalist.

A dictionary may well include colloquialisms, but that doesn't mean that using them means that a piece is well written.

I hope your computer code and your grasp of the latest techie geeky IT gobbledegook is a lot more up to date than your knowledge of English.

[NotAllThere]

You mean I had to change my signature to spell it out before you realised? And you call me stupid!

"As any fule kno'" and "sez you" were around long before text speak.

One thing I also know 'isn't there' on your bookshelf is a dictionary. SEZ : laugh: laugh

Funnily enough, it turns out that I DO have a dictionary on my bookshelf - the shorter OED in two volumes. And "sez" is to be found in there. Verb transitive and intransitive, a colloquialism from the mid 19th century. For further instruction, the reader is invited to see the entry under "says", and "says you", much as I defined it, is also there.

My knowledge of English is better than yours. Yah-boo sucks.

[Denny]

I'm glad you're keeping your sense of humour.



That's ripe coming from someone who has never ... seen me in the flesh or seen evidence of educational background.

For all you know I could look like and be as rich as Elle McPhearson but with a double first from Oxford.

Tell me, are you a ghost?



As any fule kno', "sez you" is an ungrammatical, incorrectly spelled inversion of "you say". It is a slang idiom, meaning "Just because you say that, doesn't make it true." Have you never been in a playground? Or overheard an early teen/chav attempt at rational debate?

I'm also quite intrigued. Do think I wasn't aware of the connotations of my handle when I chose it?

As any fule kno', "sez you" is an ungrammatical, incorrectly spelled inversion of "you say". It is a slang idiom, meaning "Just because you say that, doesn't make it true." Have you never been in a playground? Or overheard an early teen/chav attempt at rational debate?

No. I don't mix in those circles. Clearly u du az u appeer to b such an xpert on the subject.

I'm also quite intrigued. Do think I wasn't aware of the connotations of my handle when I chose it.

No, that's why you have a signature that clearly demonstrates that you are aware of it.

[NotAllThere]

I'm glad you're keeping your sense of humour.

A very stupid one as well.

That's ripe coming from someone who has never ... seen me in the flesh or seen evidence of educational background.

For all you know I could look like and be as rich as Elle McPhearson but with a double first from Oxford.

Tell me, are you a ghost?

One thing I do know : if you are smarter, richer, better looking than me you certainly aren't a better speller than me.

Not all there is a good name for you NAT. One thing I also know 'isn't there' on your bookshelf is a dictionary. SEZ : laugh: laugh

As any fule kno', "sez you" is an ungrammatical, incorrectly spelled inversion of "you say". It is a slang idiom, meaning "Just because you say that, doesn't make it true." Have you never been in a playground? Or overheard an early teen/chav attempt at rational debate?

I'm also quite intrigued. Do think I wasn't aware of the connotations of my handle when I chose it?

[Denny]

Sez you.

Ah, you're just jealous cos I'm smarter, better looking and richer than you.

Sez you?????

That's ripe coming from someone who has never seen my bank statements, assets, nor seen me in the flesh or seen evidence of educational background.

For all you know I could look like and be as rich as Elle McPhearson but with a double first from Oxford.

Tell me, are you a ghost?

One thing I do know : if you are smarter, richer, better looking than me you certainly aren't a better speller than me.

Not all there is a good name for you NAT. One thing I also know 'isn't there' on your bookshelf is a dictionary. SEZ : laugh: laugh

[NotAllThere]

A very stupid one as well.

Argument ends here.

Sez you.

Ah, you're just jealous cos I'm smarter, better looking and richer than you.

[Denny]

But where will it end?

It ends where it started to end - with me a few posts ago.

The next few 'ends' weren't ends at all, but 'start ups'

[shelby68]

This is actually quite a good thing. It was going to be a disaster and I was keen to put some distance between it and myself, but I was staying on out of a sense of obligation to the department head, who had worked hard to keep me on it depsite the project sponsor thinking that I was too expensive.

Don't most project sponsor think that about all contractors

Mine did until they saw what my manager was charging for his 1/2 day a week admin...

[Gonzo]

But where will it end?

Don't start, you know where this road leads.

Back on topic, think yourself lucky. I have just found out that the project I was going to be working on for the first half of next year has been canned.

This is actually quite a good thing. It was going to be a disaster and I was keen to put some distance between it and myself, but I was staying on out of a sense of obligation to the department head, who had worked hard to keep me on it depsite the project sponsor thinking that I was too expensive.

[TheFaQQer]

But where will it end?

[Wilmslow]

No, it ends here.

I started this thread, so I insist on ending it.

So there.