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Originally posted by SussexSeagull View PostIn the coming up thirty years I have been doing this all the tools and technologies that have come along have never really sped up the development process (although things like Automated Testing will done properly). I see nothing in AI yet that will change that.
Writing those test myself would have taken me most of the day and also the thought of doing it myself by hand was really demotivating me. The promping to get it to spit out the code was not totally straightforward, and it took me 5 or 6 rounds of prompting to get there. It is currently handicapped by not being able to access the web, so I could not get it to consume some API docs for the test toolkit I was using. I expect this limitation will be lifted once it stops being just a preview. It took me an hour or so to get what I wanted out of it, but I can also see this going more smoothly with the right knowledgebase behind it.
This is the q-star thing that people were speculating about around the time Sam Altman was fired then reinstated. Big deal? But this is how far things have come since the LLM hype really kicked off around the start of 2023. Where will this be in 1 year, 5 years, 10 years?
I have been reading "The Master and His Emmisary" recently, a book about brain lateralization. I learned from this that the area of the brain most closely involved with language processing is also the same brain area that is most closely involed with manual dexterity - your right hand if you are right handed, or left if left. The author speculates that this is because they both are tools for manipulating the world. In the light of that, it is fascinating to see how LLMs are beginning to learn how to think through becoming good at language.
Automated testing is definitely an area where AI is going to flourish.
To me this feels more like the 90s than the dotcom era. When CPUs were advancing very quickly and their was intense competition in technology and large sums of money were being spent on the race.Last edited by willendure; Today, 11:21.
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Originally posted by eek View PostThe problem with AI is that the use cases don't exist yet to justify the money being spent on it - because the return really isn't there
https://www.wheresyoured.at/subprimeai/
I had an argument with a guy on LinkedIn who assured me my career as a tester was over because of AI. Some AI ‘champions’ are borderline obsessed.
In the coming up thirty years I have been doing this all the tools and technologies that have come along have never really sped up the development process (although things like Automated Testing will done properly). I see nothing in AI yet that will change that.
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The problem with AI is that the use cases don't exist yet to justify the money being spent on it - because the return really isn't there
https://www.wheresyoured.at/subprimeai/
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Why is this beginning to remind of the Dot Com boom 25 years ago?
It's obviously technology that will go on to be game changing but you need the world to come along with you.
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Originally posted by dsc View Post
Sure they are, there's loads of thick peeps just following the crowd, just look at people who backed up that women who promised to have a drug for cancer, or whatever it was, which was a) impossible b) a clear scam, yet she got tulip ton of backing from load of investors. Now of course you can dispute whether you'd call them investors in the first place as they have no idea what they are doing, but I wouldn't say the term still sticks.
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Originally posted by willendure View Post
Those are not "investors".
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Originally posted by willendure View Post
Those are not "investors".
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Originally posted by dsc View Post
I agree, but at the same time think all the hype is driven by the party tricks and the idea that soon chatbots will do most of the work. Lets be honest, investors are not clever enough to understand that AI is used in serious applications and what the future might bring, they probably have "clever robots do chu chu" on their minds.
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Originally posted by willendure View PostLook at something like Cerebras which sold its systems to G42 healthcare - they want AI to predict how drugs will behave and also to invent or help invent novel drugs - thats generative right there. So while chatbots are at the party trick end, similar generative AI technology is being used for serious applications. Plenty things being developed out there that are way too complex and involving hard science and engineering for most people to appreciate.Last edited by dsc; 31 August 2024, 14:02.
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Originally posted by willendure View PostLook at something like Cerebras which sold its systems to G42 healthcare - they want AI to predict how drugs will behave and also to invent or help invent novel drugs - thats generative right there. So while chatbots are at the party trick end, similar generative AI technology is being used for serious applications. Plenty things being developed out there that are way too complex and involving hard science and engineering for most people to appreciate.
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Originally posted by willendure View Post
Yes, but I see them as a forward evolution of the earlier models, not as 2 parallel branches.
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Look at something like Cerebras which sold its systems to G42 healthcare - they want AI to predict how drugs will behave and also to invent or help invent novel drugs - thats generative right there. So while chatbots are at the party trick end, similar generative AI technology is being used for serious applications. Plenty things being developed out there that are way too complex and involving hard science and engineering for most people to appreciate.
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Originally posted by jamesbrown View Post
It's you that made this distinction above, "earlier AIs were more about prediction and pattern recognition"
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Originally posted by willendure View PostI don't even really think you should think of predictive and generative as 2 separate branches. The new techniques invented for generative will filter back in to the other. Generative has predictive aspects also - literally all LLMs do is predict the next word anyway.
The underlying mathematical techniques are largely the same. For example, deep learning techniques are used for chatbot content creation and weather forecasting, alike. However, prediction and content creation are subtly different problems. For example, prediction is largely about estimating conditional probability distributions, i.e., "given X=x, Y=y, and Z=z, what is the set of possible outcomes of Q and their associated probabilities?", whereas generation is more about understanding all possible combinations, aka joint probability, and sampling novel outcomes from joint distributions.
Anyway, my point remains, namely that chatbots are at the party trick end of the AI spectrum, not in terms of the methods used, but in the way they are being applied. Chatbots are an application of a technology. Prediction remains central to scientific applications of AI where there's typically a set of (e.g., observed) initial conditions that constrain the problem.
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