Reply to: Lets play catch the dodgy advert

[P1mpAndPr0ud]

Right! Can we just establish that the "fake advert" thing is an urban myth.

Bet you it isn't!

Haven't done it myself for absolutely ages (no need for the stuff I'm working on at the moment), but every salesperson needs to generate leads and pipeline at some point, and it's a tried and tested way of doing so... and let's not get any high notions of "helping people" or "making a difference". We're targeted salespeople who are tasked with generating revenue for our respective organisations.

Look, I know it's not exactly ethical or "fair", but it's the way the industry is.

[Diver]

Many organizations have charters that require all positions to be advertised outside the organisation in order to prevent the re-emergence of the closed shop mentality of the 50's 60's & 70's
These Organizations advertise outside; and even interview, while knowing full well that the position has already been filled internally.

[BolshieBastard]

Right! Can we just establish that the "fake advert" thing is an urban myth. Yes it may have occurred in the dim and distant past but any reasonably established agency in this day and age really does not need to add candidates to there database. To put this into context, we have over 450,000 candidates on our database. Clients yes, any agency needs as many client contacts as possible, but at the moment, they definitely don't need candidates. Any advert we put out at the moment on JobServe, JobSite, CW Jobs etc gets in between 100 and 250 applicants (if you advertise service desk/helpdesk/desktop support roles that number can go up to 400+ applicants). Quite frankly (and even running an overnight de-duplication program) most agencies will be getting snowed with candidates. The other thing to bear in mind is the ad's actually cost money. For example if you buy 400 job postings per month from JobServe they stil cost £7 per ad. If you only buy 50 ads per month they rocket to £18 per ad.

Hahahahahahaha! This is sooooooooo funny. You (and other 'businesses) advertise (in the 'good' times as well as the bad ones) in the hope of generating new business leads ie contractor cv's, enquiries etc, to glean info that may help you get an 'in.'

Of course ads cost money! You dont expect the likes of jobswerve to give you them for free do you. D'oh!

[pmeswani]

If Billy Jenkins of MA Associates comes on here and proves to us his roles are all real (and that he is real) then I'll gladly eat my hat.

Do you want that with cheese or chilli sauce?

[basshead]

Right! Can we just establish that the "fake advert" thing is an urban myth.

If Billy Jenkins of MA Associates comes on here and proves to us his roles are all real (and that he is real) then I'll gladly eat my hat.

[deckster]

Right! Can we just establish that the "fake advert" thing is an urban myth. Yes it may have occurred in the dim and distant past but any reasonably established agency in this day and age really does not need to add candidates to there database. To put this into context, we have over 450,000 candidates on our database. Clients yes, any agency needs as many client contacts as possible, but at the moment, they definitely don't need candidates. Any advert we put out at the moment on JobServe, JobSite, CW Jobs etc gets in between 100 and 250 applicants (if you advertise service desk/helpdesk/desktop support roles that number can go up to 400+ applicants). Quite frankly (and even running an overnight de-duplication program) most agencies will be getting snowed with candidates. The other thing to bear in mind is the ad's actually cost money. For example if you buy 400 job postings per month from JobServe they stil cost £7 per ad. If you only buy 50 ads per month they rocket to £18 per ad.

Well maybe you can explain that to a certain agent, let's call him Brian Jennings from NB Associates, who has been posting the same four jobs every single day for the last six weeks at least. Last week I noticed that he apparently has a brother, let's call him Andy, who has started working at the same agency and is again posting the same jobs.

If those are genuine jobs I'll eat my hat - and spend a few weeks reading the jobserve ads and it soon becomes apparent that the practise is rife. It's entirely self-defeating anyway as there is no way I will ever touch a role from said agencies, even if they happen to get a real job one of these days, purely on the basis of their jobserve antics.

[bobsyouruncle]

The other thing to bear in mind is the ad's actually cost money. For example if you buy 400 job postings per month from JobServe they stil cost £7 per ad. If you only buy 50 ads per month they rocket to £18 per ad.

Then surely if you have bought 50 ads a month, but you have only used 40 for genuine roles, then you are going to place 10 fake ads to use them up.

[norrahe]

Then please explain why agencies will knowingly run ads for jobs that have already been filled??
Even to the point of reposting them with a new date?

[Another Dodgy Agent]

Right! Can we just establish that the "fake advert" thing is an urban myth. Yes it may have occurred in the dim and distant past but any reasonably established agency in this day and age really does not need to add candidates to there database. To put this into context, we have over 450,000 candidates on our database. Clients yes, any agency needs as many client contacts as possible, but at the moment, they definitely don't need candidates. Any advert we put out at the moment on JobServe, JobSite, CW Jobs etc gets in between 100 and 250 applicants (if you advertise service desk/helpdesk/desktop support roles that number can go up to 400+ applicants). Quite frankly (and even running an overnight de-duplication program) most agencies will be getting snowed with candidates. The other thing to bear in mind is the ad's actually cost money. For example if you buy 400 job postings per month from JobServe they stil cost £7 per ad. If you only buy 50 ads per month they rocket to £18 per ad.

[DiscoStu]

I've just had a very upset John McCoy who claims he is far too busy to reply to everyone who takes the time and effort to send their CV.

Can I sugest everyone just stop sending in their CV.... discuss.

Maybe you should have asked him first?

[Jog On]

I just noticed the previous backward and forwarding between Dodgy and Denny happened on Valentines day

[ICANCODE4U]

Lets play catch the dodgy advert

I've just had a very upset John McCoy who claims he is far too busy to reply to everyone who takes the time and effort to send their CV.

Can I sugest everyone just stop sending in their CV.... discuss.

[DodgyAgent]

Alas, most of my work has to come via EBs.

so where are you working a the moment? clue will do

[DodgyAgent]

Mosquitoes are a nuisance too. It's hard to ignore them when you have itchy bumps on your skin.

Is there such a thing as a Recruiter net?

The difference is that mosquitoes are hard to avoid (and are far more important than agencies which is why so much money is spent on ways of removing them), whereas you do not have to use an agent if you do not wish to.

[DodgyAgent]

Clearly you know all about little lives.

I am surprised that you think we are important enough to occupy your attention