Reply to: Early termination change on 1-day notice - contract breach?

[northernladuk]

You can call me a sockie all you like. But a contractor gets screwed over and your first is line to tell them that it is ok because you make 100Ks out of a contract.

But he wasn't screwed over. The work ended, so the pay did. Doesn't matter then the contract ends. We've said forever they notice periods are a waste of time.

And in your next breath you will tell us that the majority of contractors are permietractors. I take it that the irony is not lost on you as your biggest award was back in 2011 so the Googling you tell everyone to do might be a bit out of date by your standards.

Your posts are just confirming my hypothesis. No irony or anything here. Pretty black and white situation.

Hang around the forums a bit. You'll see one day notices popping up regularly, for a host of reasons. In nearly every case the contractor is pissed and in nearly every case its in the contract and just part of what we do.

It's unfortunate and it stings but no one has been screwed. Client has said its nothing to do with his LTD and they are getting rid of 90% of contractors. That's not screwing anyone.

[Old Greg]

You can call me a sockie all you like. But a contractor gets screwed over and your first is line to tell them that it is ok because you make 100Ks out of a contract.

And in your next breath you will tell us that the majority of contractors are permietractors. I take it that the irony is not lost on you as your biggest award was back in 2011 so the Googling you tell everyone to do might be a bit out of date by your standards.

FOG

[Abbot]

Except that as a contractor you deliver your services to your client. You do serve the needs of another. It's your job.

Jesus. What has happened to the quality of sockies nowadays?

You can call me a sockie all you like. But a contractor gets screwed over and your first is line to tell them that it is ok because you make 100Ks out of a contract.

And in your next breath you will tell us that the majority of contractors are permietractors. I take it that the irony is not lost on you as your biggest award was back in 2011 so the Googling you tell everyone to do might be a bit out of date by your standards.

[northernladuk]

I guess it depends on how one views this situation. Yes, one could view this whole arrangement as merely being subservient to a ClientCo. And that is ok if that is how you sell your LTDCo.

If I became I contractor just to serve the needs of another then I could just as easily have become a perm sliding up that greasy corporate pole.

Except that as a contractor you deliver your services to your client. You do serve the needs of another. It's your job.

Jesus. What has happened to the quality of sockies nowadays?

[Abbot]

And is that so bad they'd be a bad client and you should question whether to work with them or not? Bearing in mind some of this is probably the agency as well.

I guess it depends on how one views this situation. Yes, one could view this whole arrangement as merely being subservient to a ClientCo. And that is ok if that is how you sell your LTDCo.

If I became I contractor just to serve the needs of another then I could just as easily have become a perm sliding up that greasy corporate pole.

[hungry_hog]

It works both ways though. Should a contractor go back to a client that has treated them in this way?

The problem with this argument is that, in practice there are many more contractors than clients, especially in this market.

A client may be absolutely terrible but you can guarantee they will have hundreds of applicants for a role.

Very few contractors are in a position where they have clients chasing them and multiple options. Maybe if you are the next Nick D'Aloisio it is possible.

[northernladuk]

That’s fair enough. I don’t have a problem with being terminated on the spot. My issue here would really be notice being served twice. If I had the choice I would avoid this client in favour of other opportunities. But at the same time I would also have accepted the 31/12/20 termination and not bothered doing anything further other than bill for work up to that point.

And is that so bad they'd be a bad client and you should question whether to work with them or not? Bearing in mind some of this is probably the agency as well.

[Abbot]

It's part of contracting. If a clients money or requirments dry up so they don't need their flexible resource it hardly makes them a bad client. If they had a policy of screwing their contractors over then maybe, but one requirement drying up, hell no.

I most certainly would not be throwing away the chance to earn tens, if not hundreds of K just because I might get terminated on the spot. That could happen to any one of us, it's in our contracts.

That’s fair enough. I don’t have a problem with being terminated on the spot. My issue here would really be notice being served twice. If I had the choice I would avoid this client in favour of other opportunities. But at the same time I would also have accepted the 31/12/20 termination and not bothered doing anything further other than bill for work up to that point.

[northernladuk]

It works both ways though. Should a contractor go back to a client that has treated them in this way?

It's part of contracting. If a clients money or requirments dry up so they don't need their flexible resource it hardly makes them a bad client. If they had a policy of screwing their contractors over then maybe, but one requirement drying up, hell no.

I most certainly would not be throwing away the chance to earn tens, if not hundreds of K just because I might get terminated on the spot. That could happen to any one of us, it's in our contracts.

[Abbot]

The client definitely won't rehire them and the agency will avoid them.

Haven't you got repeat work through a client?

It works both ways though. Should a contractor go back to a client that has treated them in this way?

[Old Greg]

only the dole office

Technically, PC is the client (and his brother-in-law, but we shouldn't talk about that too much).

[Lance]

The client definitely won't rehire them and the agency will avoid them.

Haven't you got repeat work through a client?

only the dole office

[Old Greg]

The client definitely won't rehire them and the agency will avoid them.

Haven't you got repeat work through a client?

We'll take that a a rhetorical question.

[SueEllen]

How on earth will that damage them professionally FFS?

The client definitely won't rehire them and the agency will avoid them.

Haven't you got repeat work through a client?

[psychocandy]

Don’t take legal action, that will only damage you professionally just for 2 weeks of invoice. Let it go and start looking for new gigs. Clients hire contractors for this exact scenario where they have no work and have to save cash.

How on earth will that damage them professionally FFS?