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Previously on "One rule for contractors another for permanent staff"
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostYou do get holiday pay, and I'd guess sick... And you have some rights from the brolly.. So not strictly true.
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Originally posted by psychocandy View PostWell not really holiday pay. They lump it all into the weekly pay. They don't pay you if you't work sick or otherwise.
I guess you could get SSP though.
Not many rights.....
Permies pay for their holidays as well, they just get a wage net of it. The fact you see how much your holiday pay costs you in brolly is the difference.
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostYou do get holiday pay, and I'd guess sick... And you have some rights from the brolly.. So not strictly true.
I guess you could get SSP though.
Not many rights.....
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Originally posted by psychocandy View PostOK. Im inside IR35 via umbrella. I get taxed like the permies do. I have no rights, sick pay or holiday pay etc.
I do get 3x what they get paid though. Up to me to decide if its worth it or not surely?
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Originally posted by escapeUK View PostI wouldn't know. But denying people rights granted in law usually is illegal.
I'll quote it again, since you probably replied after I added it.
As a result, contractors and freelancers are being forced into "zero rights employment", where they will be taxed as permanent employees, but not receive any of the standard benefits.
That's from the letter handed in last week. So tell me, is zero rights employment legal or illegal?
I do get 3x what they get paid though. Up to me to decide if its worth it or not surely?
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Originally posted by escapeUK View PostI've been enjoying a few years off, but back with a new exciting contract. So just getting back up to speed with everything.
Why would anyone accept an inside IR35 job, in other words you are an employee of the company, but with no rights of employment. Why?? And perhaps a bigger question, how is that even slightly legal, and why hasn't it been challenged and laughed out of the court? None of the perks of being a contractor and none of the benefits of being an employee. Wow. Just wow.
NLUK how are you still here all these years later saying the exact same things? Don't you get bored?
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostGood luck after you leave your current client then.....
Stroll into next client and say "you can't tell me I can't WFH" and I can GUARANTEE you won't last long....
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Originally posted by escapeUK View PostI wouldn't know. But denying people rights granted in law usually is illegal.
I'll quote it again, since you probably replied after I added it.
As a result, contractors and freelancers are being forced into "zero rights employment", where they will be taxed as permanent employees, but not receive any of the standard benefits.
That's from the letter handed in last week. So tell me, is zero rights employment legal or illegal?
No-one is saying it's unfair but unfair does not mean illegal.
Contractors choose to forego employment rights because they're happy to make their own arrangements and the rate usually compensates for that. It has always been that benefits and tax are separate and this change in who determines your status doesn't change that in the slightest.
IR35 hasn't changed - who determines your status has.
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Originally posted by escapeUK View PostIs it ever too late to speak out against injustice?
I think its too late in your mind as I defeated your arguments with industry quotes confirming my point. haha
Not sure why people that have this very problem don’t just get a perm job. I suspect it is down to earning more than perms in a day rate but then wanting more.
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Originally posted by escapeUK View PostIs that really your argument, that we can discriminate on employment rights, because people can choose to work elsewhere? Sorry but back in the real world, that's not how the legal framework of this country works or probably any country.
If you’re wanting to stay working for one company for a few years, doing very similar things to the employees, then you’re not really contracting.
That’s the real world for real contractors.
...but your posts make it seem that you’re not wanting to be a real contractor.
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostBit late in the day to be raging against the machine and trying to fix the world isn't it? We've been having the types of posts from as far back as October.
I think its too late in your mind as I defeated your arguments with industry quotes confirming my point. haha
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Bit late in the day to be raging against the machine and trying to fix the world isn't it? We've been having the types of posts from as far back as October.
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Originally posted by WTFH View PostTell me, are you forced to be a contractor and forced to accept roles, or is it your choice?Last edited by escapeUK; 16 February 2020, 17:38.
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