Reply to: Nothing to worry about?

[Wobblyheed]

Did one at DWP last year - seems to me they were giving a max of 1 year outside then deciding to make you inside. Seemed bizarre to me as you were still doing the same role so how is it suddenly inside? Anyway I left.

[northernladuk]

Nope, I went from fca to boe finishing end of last year both outside and after public sector changes. Boe made much of giving us all personal letters stating we were outside.

So let us agree that it depends. Both offer both. Neither offers one or the other.

[Anonimouse]

I worked at both BoE and FCA. Definitely inside now but previously outside before the public sector IR35 changes a couple of years ago.

Nope, I went from fca to boe finishing end of last year both outside and after public sector changes. Boe made much of giving us all personal letters stating we were outside.

[PCTNN]

I think it's going to take a lot more than a year or two before any of the major decisions are reversed to start making any difference. That's the optimistic side of me. I don't forsee some of the big players ever coming back.

I agree with this. Things will eventually get better, as they are getting better in the public sector, but it will never be the same.

I also don't think any big banks will ever go back. The largest majority of them have historically used and treated contractors as employees in disguise so leaving things as they are (everyone inside) is just the easiest and least effort solution for them.

[Maka344]

I applied to 2 gigs at BoE in the last few months and bother were inside.

I worked at both BoE and FCA. Definitely inside now but previously outside before the public sector IR35 changes a couple of years ago.

[northernladuk]

I’ve never had an inside public sector role

I had a brief one. Oddly enough because you get paid net rather than balancing divis I've never been so well off lol.

[SimonMac]

I've got a good friend who works in the public sector - works in management.

He says after it all died down they started giving out lots of outside ir35 contracts, so don't worry, the private sector will be the same in a year's time.

Anyone else heard the same about the public sector ? I thought all their contracts now were inside ir35...

I’ve never had an inside public sector role

[ladymuck]

A slightly unusual thing I've noticed in recent weeks, is that (in my field) a lot of the contract roles with the Government explicitly say Outside IR35, which I thought no longer happened. What gives?

Proper assessment of the requirement?

[ensignia]

A slightly unusual thing I've noticed in recent weeks, is that (in my field) a lot of the contract roles with the Government explicitly say Outside IR35, which I thought no longer happened. What gives?

[northernladuk]

I spent a year at boe we were all outside, ditto fca.

I applied to 2 gigs at BoE in the last few months and bother were inside.

[Anonimouse]

I've got a good friend who works in the public sector - works in management.

He says after it all died down they started giving out lots of outside ir35 contracts, so don't worry, the private sector will be the same in a year's time.

Anyone else heard the same about the public sector ? I thought all their contracts now were inside ir35...

I spent a year at boe we were all outside, ditto fca.

[northernladuk]

Bottom line is..

Nothing to worry about?

Yes there is.

[BlackCountryContractor]

I've got a good friend who works in the public sector - works in management.

He says after it all died down they started giving out lots of outside ir35 contracts through IT service companies like DXC, Capita, Computercenter, Fujitsu, CGI, so don't worry, the private sector will be the same in a year's time.

Anyone else heard the same about the public sector ? I thought all their contracts now were inside ir35...

A slight correction.

[Amanensia]

And actually, just because a role requires a niche skill, doesn't make it any more likely to be outside imo

Not in and of itself, no. But it puts you in a much stronger bargaining position when it comes to setting up working practices etc the way you want - because there aren't 50+ other people all bidding to do the role for less money/less hassle than you.

[KinooOrKinog]

Which is very true but I would hope they would do an assessment on the role regardless of who they want to fill it. Doing assessments to suit certain individuals could lead to contrived situations that don't match reality and you we are back to square one. If the role they want to fill is niche then, absolutely, take it as an outside role with all the correct working practices and then get a contractor in to fill that role. I don't like the idea of a client create a determination based on the person they want.

Ok ok once the client has determined it then it's their problem but what will happen further down the line? Things change, HMRC start investigating again as normal regardless of clients determinations and the contractor is potentially at risk? It's an unknown but the client doing the right thing for the role will negate all this.

Pedantic point and I'll bet that's what you really meant.

And actually, just because a role requires a niche skill, doesn't make it any more likely to be outside imo