Reply to: Any clue how many of your fellow contractors are going inside?

[smatty]

Out of about 100 contractors I knew at last client, me and one other left at Xmas, about 10% believe the client will class them outside, maybe 10-20% intend to leave, 10% hoping it won’t happen and rest will roll over.

That may well change as client still hasn’t officially said what they’re doing. I reckon they’ll tow the HMRC line that all PSCs are inside.

[ladymuck]

Explained to team manager the intricacies of what the IR35 changes mean this morning. He was confused at me saying we need to plan for my leaving when he thought there was loads of work to do.

After I mentioned the issue wasn't with the work but with the contractual side of things, especially what ClientCo's legal team are devising and risk of retrospective action, he was more understanding and appreciated better what he's been seeing wrt the demands to cancel / delay implementation.

[BritishLad88]

HMRC have taken a total of about 20 IR35 cases to tribunal over the past 10 years.

I know.

until the public sector and now the private sector changes its been almost risk free

if it's 'almost' risk free, we all wouldn't be panic-ing & discussing it in forums time after time then.

there's still an element of risk and we don't believe HMRC 100%

[eek]

with ir35, being a contractor is very high risk but comes with high reward and that huge amount of liability if caught I wouldn't be surprised at all.

that's why a lot of my friends who are capable of being a contractor eventually stayed as a permie for most of their life due to them not willing to take the risk in return for a higher income.

HMRC have taken a total of about 20 IR35 cases to tribunal over the past 10 years.

until the public sector and now the private sector changes its been almost risk free

[BritishLad88]

Holy crap! Seriously?

Not that I don't trust you but can I ask for a second opinion? Anyone?

I am NOT risking that kind of slap. That's a life-altering amount right there.

with ir35, being a contractor is very high risk but comes with high reward and that huge amount of liability if caught I wouldn't be surprised at all.

that's why a lot of my friends who are capable of being a contractor eventually stayed as a permie for most of their life due to them not willing to take the risk in return for a higher income.

[SouWester]

You guys are weird, seriously.

No need to ban me, I'll see myself out...

[SouWester]

BR14? I agree. Mods!!

Err, Gricer?

Apologies if I have got something wrong here, thought I was getting some good advice.

[SouWester]

Are you suggesting he was motivated to register because his other accounts got banned and nothing to do with IR35 at all?

Are you divining some meaning from "no. 1."? I keep see that every time I go to post...

Asking about prosecutions because if there are known to have been loads I will be extra risk-averse, and if there are known to have been few I might unclench a little. Appreciate this is a brave new world but just seeking to gain some understanding of risk.

[northernladuk]

There is a slight whiff of Gricer about that one.

BR14? I agree. Mods!!

[jamesbrown]

There is a slight whiff of Gricer about that one.

[BR14]

Are you suggesting he was motivated to register because his other accounts got banned and nothing to do with IR35 at all?

you may say that.
i couldn't possibly comment.

1.

[northernladuk]

no.
1.

Are you suggesting he was motivated to register because his other accounts got banned and nothing to do with IR35 at all?

[northernladuk]

I was not expecting £30k a year + extras.

Any stats available on qty of prosecutions? Either since 1999 or 2017?

What's that got to do with anything? That's the old days before clients gave HMRC everything they need.

[BR14]

no.
1.

[SouWester]

What we're you expecting? Pocket change?

I was not expecting £30k a year + extras.

Any stats available on qty of prosecutions? Either since 1999 or 2017?