Reply to: SC Clearance question: previous employment terminated

[SussexSeagull]

I am led to believe the bigger red flag is having too much money, not too many loans.

[perplexed]

I would imagine if he's been let go and has loans of that size that his lifestyle isn't quite as normal as most but doesn't want to, or need to, go in to it on here.

Could be anything - work done on hold, consolidating to cover debts.. who knows, as you say.

Nothing in what he's said triggers any alarm bells imo, as long as they are honest when undergoing SC.

[Zigenare]

I see. It doesn't help I've got a spent conviction and two loans [15k and 27k] which I'm currently paying off. Wondering if its worth going through clearance because of the mounted negatives against me.

You don't know what the "negatives" are.

[northernladuk]

Good grief.

A spent conviction is a spent conviction.

Loans? Most people have mortgages they are paying off.

Why on earth are you viewing them as negatives - they are part of life. They are only viewed as negatives if you lie about them, seek to cover them up...

I would imagine if he's been let go and has loans of that size that his lifestyle isn't quite as normal as most but doesn't want to, or need to, go in to it on here.

[perplexed]

I see. It doesn't help I've got a spent conviction and two loans [15k and 27k] which I'm currently paying off. Wondering if its worth going through clearance because of the mounted negatives against me.

Good grief.

A spent conviction is a spent conviction.

Loans? Most people have mortgages they are paying off.

Why on earth are you viewing them as negatives - they are part of life. They are only viewed as negatives if you lie about them, seek to cover them up...

[northernladuk]

I just don’t see how its relevant. It’s not a question of honesty if you don’t go into the details of why you left a job. If it was important they would ask you this...

Correct. I message that is repeated ad infinitum in the SC Clearance sticky the OP must have missed.

Answer the questions on the form open and honestly and stick it in. There is nothing more to it. It's likely they will already know what they want to know so it's more an exercise in aligning the answers you give with the ones they know. If they don't ask it they it's not on their risk radar. No need to elaborate unnecessarily.

No one knows what or how they actually do the vetting but they are looking for people that are trustworthy and aren't open to coercion etc when handling sensitive information. People leaving jobs or having the odd slap on the hand don't make them a security risk.

[dx4100]

I just don’t see how its relevant. It’s not a question of honesty if you don’t go into the details of why you left a job. If it was important they would ask you this...

[GigiBronz]

Not sure what is the case for SC roles but i believe employer can only provide role title and dates for your engagement with them. Even if they find out, there can be multiple reasons for them to get rid of you, only a few related to you. Budget cuts, caught at the other end of politics.... if you are a contractor agents wouldn’t even bother asking usually.
Even if you were actually dismissed for perfomance, does it actually matter? Seeing how business operates, how some people survive, most of the times performance is not top criteria. Chin up, you wouldn’t have been selected if you weren’t good enough.
Worst thing you could do is blame yourself and start feeling you are not good enough, work yourself to a burn-out than probably dismissed again because of burn-out.

[needSomeAdvice]

No idea why you would feel a need to offer up such detailed information if its not been requested.

I guess I'm running with the theme of being honest. If they check my references and its disclosed my employment was terminated then is it best they find out from me or the employer?

[dx4100]

No idea why you would feel a need to offer up such detailed information if its not been requested.

[needSomeAdvice]

Why would you not get clearance because of these things.

1 - that debt isn’t unusual
2 - your conviction is spent - as long as your honest if the form asks
3 - does it ask why you left/we’re sacked. If so just be honest without waffling

Overall just grow some and get on with it’s get another gig.

The form doesn't specifically ask about if I had left/was sacked from my previous employment. I am trying to be open and transparent as possible. But I'm wondering if its not something they're asking about do I need to disclose it? And do I put on the form that I have 2 emails of where my team leader and co-worker state I was more than capable of doing the job.

[MrButton]

Why would you not get clearance because of these things.

1 - that debt isn’t unusual
2 - your conviction is spent - as long as your honest if the form asks
3 - does it ask why you left/we’re sacked. If so just be honest without waffling

Overall just grow some and get on with it’s get another gig.

[fidot]

I don't understand this attitude. What do you have to lose? Continue with the application and you will either pass or fail security clearance. If you don't submit the application , you definitely won't land the role.

[needSomeAdvice]

And one more time....

They are testing your honesty. They will know the answers, they are checking that you're telling them the same ones. They may or may not matter ultimately, but you dont pass by hiding stuff.

HTH

I see. It doesn't help I've got a spent conviction and two loans [15k and 27k] which I'm currently paying off. Wondering if its worth going through clearance because of the mounted negatives against me.

[malvolio]

Hi all,

I'm currently filling out the SC Clearance form and I had question about prior employment. In my previous SC Cleared role my employment was terminated because I was not suitable for the role. I was with the company for 1.5 years. I also have 2 emails from my team lead and a co-worker stating otherwise. I believe my employment was terminated because of my punctuality but this is speculation.

Regardless, should I disclose this on the SC form under: Are you aware of any other circumstances not covered by your previous answers which might affect your suitability for access to sensitive information
or assets?

Thanks in advance

And one more time....

They are testing your honesty. They will know the answers, they are checking that you're telling them the same ones. They may or may not matter ultimately, but you dont pass by hiding stuff.

HTH