Reply to: How to handle inferiority complex of Permie hiring manager..??

[Whorty]

I have ~20 years experience and looking for Programme/Portfolio Manager roles. This role was the single point contact for a big vendor in one of the top UK service provider. So looking at the role, client and the vendor my experience wasn't excessive.

When I apply for project level roles I normally downgrade my CV. But what I always seen is most of contractors I have seen in the same level as mine was more experienced than me. Though whole 20 years experience is covered in my CV initial 10 years only job titles.

If I was recruiting a Programme or Portfolio Mgr I'd be expecting their communication skills to be the best (both written and verbal) and unfortunately your written English is not great (at least not on what you have been writing on this thread). If your CV is of the same 'quality' I'd be binning it without an interview too. If agent wants a reason, I have a list I use and 'too experienced' is one I do sometimes roll out.

[Whorty]

Friends,

How to handle inferiority complex (!) of hiring/line/reporting managers while they recruit interview Contractors who are much experienced than them...???

Most of permie resources I worked are lesser experienced, last few interviews I am getting too much reference to "Excessive Experience "!!! How to handle this situation..?? Thanks.

Write in poor English with poor grammar - that should do it.

[Darren_Test]

Then the client is up to something and I wouldn't worry about it.

trying to see if this is a new trend... if so I need a major surgery in my CV!!

[SueEllen]

I have ~20 years experience and looking for Programme/Portfolio Manager roles. This role was the single point contact for a big vendor in one of the top UK service provider. So looking at the role, client and the vendor my experience wasn't excessive.

When I apply for project level roles I normally downgrade my CV. But what I always seen is most of contractors I have seen in the same level as mine was more experienced than me. Though whole 20 years experience is covered in my CV initial 10 years only job titles.

Then the clients have just decided you don't fit for some prejudicial reasons. There is nothing you can do about that.

[Darren_Test]

"Excessive experience" means they don't like your CV, they think you are too old or you come across as a robot.

Someone else has answered the last.

The first means modify your CV so it doesn't have loads of your old experience on it.

With the second if you your age/look old do stuff like daily exercise (even if you are skinny), dye your hair or if bald shave it all off and if you smoke stop to look healthier as you will look younger.

I have ~20 years experience and looking for Programme/Portfolio Manager roles. This role was the single point contact for a big vendor in one of the top UK service provider. So looking at the role, client and the vendor my experience wasn't excessive.

When I apply for project level roles I normally downgrade my CV. But what I always seen is most of contractors I have seen in the same level as mine was more experienced than me. Though whole 20 years experience is covered in my CV initial 10 years only job titles.

[SueEllen]

I had close look at the spec, it was an excellent match...I was glad agency called me because I was sure he couldn't find a CV more matching than mine!!!!

Then the client is up to something and I wouldn't worry about it.

[Darren_Test]

All it means is the agent didn't understand the client's criteria.

I had close look at the spec, it was an excellent match...I was glad agency called me because I was sure he couldn't find a CV more matching than mine!!!!

[SueEllen]

My issue is quite opposite , See my response to weakness query -
http://forums.contractoruk.com/busin...ness-es-2.html

I look too young as well. It has it's advantages and disadvantages in terms of contract roles.

Anyway means it's either the first - you sound like a robot- or the second - your CV has too much old experience on it.

[Darren_Test]

"Excessive experience" means they don't like your CV, they think you are too old or you come across as a robot.

Someone else has answered the last.

The first means modify your CV so it doesn't have loads of your old experience on it.

With the second if you your age/look old do stuff like daily exercise (even if you are skinny), dye your hair or if bald shave it all off and if you smoke stop to look healthier as you will look younger.

My issue is quite opposite , See my response to weakness query -
http://forums.contractoruk.com/busin...ness-es-2.html

[SueEllen]

To be clear..I didn't talk the specific client where I was submitted for a senior role. Agency found mine suitable from pile of 100+ CVs and submitted for me. Before the interview to my surprise it got rejected.!

All it means is the agent didn't understand the client's criteria.

[SueEllen]

"Excessive experience" means they don't like your CV, they think you are too old or you come across as a robot.

Someone else has answered the last.

The first means modify your CV so it doesn't have loads of your old experience on it.

With the second if you your age/look old do stuff like daily exercise (even if you are skinny), dye your hair or if bald shave it all off and if you smoke stop to look healthier as you will look younger.

[Darren_Test]

I found myself wondering if this was actually about you and the way you come across. What does 'excessive experience' really mean? is this a polite way of saying 'bloke fancies himself a bit'. They will have seen your CV; if you have the experience, you have the experience. Surely the manager is looking for someone who will deliver and he can bask in your limelight because he appointed you? or does he end up thinking you are some kind of a threat to him (despite being a contractor) because of your attitude?
Please accept my apologies if I've got you completely wrong by the way.

To be clear..I didn't talk the specific client where I was submitted for a senior role. Agency found mine suitable from pile of 100+ CVs and submitted for me. Before the interview to my surprise it got rejected.!

[Darren_Test]

and don't drive the Porsche / Ferrari / Lambo to the office car park

didn't had chance for that..

[SlipTheJab]

No he didn't. In terms of costs to the client, we probably aren't.

Permie devs at current client-co are not very good but are on 75k and more, add on employers NI, pension, sick pay, holidays, training, bonus etc and it is probably more expensive for then than getting a contractor in for 500 notes a day.

[SlipTheJab]

I did actually say play the idiot

Good point