Reply to: Project Deliverables - having a copy

[Eirikur]

Upload to google docs Use your mobile as portable hotspot and connect your laptop to it, when you do this

[Lance]

Ha - no haven't tried nor been caught !

I have produced some really useful docs and so shame to leave them behind. However agree that it is not worth the risk and as per normal contract do become client co material, so will leave these behind as I normally (grudgingly) have to. Thought worthwhile asking the question anyhow.

If it's all your thought power you can easily write them again for your own purposes.

Another method would be connect your work pc witb a serial cable to a laptop and use zmodem to transfer. Most securty software won't spot that.

[SueEllen]

Why. It recreate the documents from scratch again but on your own computer in your own time and then It's not a client document anymore.

Granted it might be a pain depending on how many hours work when into the originals but worthwhile if you really think what you've created is not worth losing

Or remove the client specific words, create templates and print them out to see what they look like. Use the back for notes making sure your writing is a scrawl and then slip them in your bag/back pocket.

[SouthernManc78]

Project Deliverables - having a copy

Ha - no haven't tried nor been caught !

I have produced some really useful docs and so shame to leave them behind. However agree that it is not worth the risk and as per normal contract do become client co material, so will leave these behind as I normally (grudgingly) have to. Thought worthwhile asking the question anyhow.

Why. It recreate the documents from scratch again but on your own computer in your own time and then It's not a client document anymore.

Granted it might be a pain depending on how many hours work when into the originals but worthwhile if you really think what you've created is not worth losing

[SueEllen]

I find it weird the number of posters rushing to offer solutions for something which is very likely breaking his contract, and would seem (to me at least) a fairly immoral practice given that the client has actually paid for this stuff. Is this normal here?

There are ways and means to get the format of documents without breaking a contract. However the detail in the documents should never be shared with a competitor.

[northernladuk]

I find it weird the number of posters rushing to offer solutions for something which is very likely breaking his contract, and would seem (to me at least) a fairly immoral practice given that the client has actually paid for this stuff. Is this normal here?

Well the standard advice when someone asks what they can do with their warchest is spend it on coke and hookers so I'll let you make your own mind up

[Lambert Simnel]

I find it weird the number of posters rushing to offer solutions for something which is very likely breaking his contract, and would seem (to me at least) a fairly immoral practice given that the client has actually paid for this stuff. Is this normal here?

[jbond007]

If you get your clientco emails on phone, then you could download the docs onto the phone, either when you have sent them around and cc'd yourself, or from sent items or email it to just yourself at your clientco email address and then download it

[LondonManc]

Can't beat the print and scan approach, depending on how much you're printing.

[Lavarella]

In theory, you could attach them to an email using web based email and just not send it - that way you at least have a defence of "but I never sent the email" when you get caught and they terminate the contract.

My dog logged in and downloaded it from home!

[MrMarkyMark]

In future maybe he could work on his own lap top and mail certain completed documents in.
(Obviously being careful not to break any contractual clause)

No company I have known has ever had problems with incoming mail traffic .

[TheFaQQer]

Is there an obvious way to get round this, possibly attach said docs to web based mail ?

In theory, you could attach them to an email using web based email and just not send it - that way you at least have a defence of "but I never sent the email" when you get caught and they terminate the contract.

[Lavarella]

Still on the premise that if you KNOW it's against the contract, you shouldn't do it, and that if you think it's against the contract you still shouldn't do it: unless internal clientco e-mail forbids people from attaching files, I'm not really sure there would be mechanisms in place to catch you saving something off your own clientco web-e-mail onto the machine you are accessing said webmail from. Unless it's VPN.

An actual e-mail sent to an external address is obviously a completely different matter and I can see how even sending a blank email to your home address could be caught and actioned.

[kaiser78]

Sounds like you have already tried and got caught?!

Ha - no haven't tried nor been caught !

I have produced some really useful docs and so shame to leave them behind. However agree that it is not worth the risk and as per normal contract do become client co material, so will leave these behind as I normally (grudgingly) have to. Thought worthwhile asking the question anyhow.

[MrMarkyMark]

Sounds like you have already tried and got caught?!

Saving those docs as attachments to a draft e-mail and then accessing said account via webmail on your computer to then save the attachments might work.
Unless your webmail access is via a VPN. In that case something more complex needs to be done and it's hardly advisable anyway.

The days are long gone where you could back everything up to your own personal areas, pen drives, mails etc.
Companies are all over it.

One guy I knew of got kicked off site for sending code home, not documents just pretty much meaningless code.
I only know as I got checked for sending a few text files of syntax to work on at home, myself, I was then told the above, guess I got lucky.