Reply to: Anticipated End Date

[WordIsBond]

I don't need to.

A bit of advice for you that I read somewhere:

Don't argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.

[Bee]

I don't need to.

Though I'm open to Portuguese lessons.

If you aren't good in interpret English you will not be good in other languages.

[SueEllen]

You must go back to school and learn how to interpret English.

I don't need to.

Though I'm open to Portuguese lessons.

[Bee]

This is why you must be clear in your explanations.

You thought regular posters were picking on you when they were taking apart your posts. They were illustrating to you that new posters would not understand what you mean, and this is an example of it.

You must go back to school and learn how to interpret English.

[SueEllen]

Jesus Christ!!

I haven't said this.

This is why you must be clear in your explanations.

You thought regular posters were picking on you when they were taking apart your posts. They were illustrating to you that new posters would not understand what you mean, and this is an example of it.

[Lonza]

Seems easy to me. Give notice 14 days before like IPSE suggested. Tell them you are doing it because the contract wording as to end date is unclear. Tell them you are willing to withdraw the notice if they are looking for another week or two, or to extend (if the terms are right) if they want to offer you another contract. You aren't giving notice because you are desperate to get away, but because you don't want an open-ended commitment without clarity as to what the terms will be after that date.

Sorted.

Great bit of advice this. Thank you v much.

[Bee]

So in your opinion, no notice would be required after the contract anticipated end date as the contract has reached expiry. Therefore if the client wants to extend passed this date, it would be a variation of the terms (and thus require my agreement?)

Thanks for taking the time to respond. I appreciate it.

Jesus Christ!!

I haven't said this.

If you have a notice period, obviously is based on you anticipated date. If the date is approaching you have to mitigate this with your agency in order to get the exact end dates ASAP.

Why are you saying that the anticipated end date is approaching?

[WordIsBond]

Seems easy to me. Give notice 14 days before like IPSE suggested. Tell them you are doing it because the contract wording as to end date is unclear. Tell them you are willing to withdraw the notice if they are looking for another week or two, or to extend (if the terms are right) if they want to offer you another contract. You aren't giving notice because you are desperate to get away, but because you don't want an open-ended commitment without clarity as to what the terms will be after that date.

Sorted.

[Lonza]

Actually the question they asked was important.

You must have important terms defined in a contract otherwise neither you are the other party clearly know where you stand.

So while you and I think it means the date the contract ends the agency could mean something different.

I'm not doubting the importance of the question re the definition. I have learned a very valuable lesson from this.

As for my comment IPSE weren't much use. I think that was a tad harsh on reflection. I should have reworded it as IPSE didn't give me the answer I wanted which is "no of course you don't have to work passed your end date" 🙄

Thanks for your inputs

[malvolio]

I want to be golden... IPSE weren't much use. Just asked if "anticipated end date" had been defined. I said no it hadn't. They said terminate 14 days before just to cover myself if I want to end on the date quoted. Cheers for the input.

From what you've told us and the woolliness in the contract, I would suggest that IPSE were actually spot on with their answer..


But hey, we've offered opinions. You've apparently ignored the obvious conclusion that you are contracted for a number of days worked so the end date is obviously going to be a variable, but it's your contract, what do you think you should do? In fact, just what are you trying to achieve?

[SueEllen]

I want to be golden... IPSE weren't much use. Just asked if "anticipated end date" had been defined. I said no it hadn't. They said terminate 14 days before just to cover myself if I want to end on the date quoted. Cheers for the input.

Actually the question they asked was important.

You must have important terms defined in a contract otherwise neither you are the other party clearly know where you stand.

So while you and I think it means the date the contract ends the agency could mean something different.

[Lonza]

You should be golden then. IPSE is a good call. Even if it's budget related as Mal it will just mean they will tell you to stop coming in. The contract still runs to the date, you just won't be working so won't be being paid. Effectively the same thing but the contract will expire at the date given whatever.

I want to be golden... IPSE weren't much use. Just asked if "anticipated end date" had been defined. I said no it hadn't. They said terminate 14 days before just to cover myself if I want to end on the date quoted. Cheers for the input.

[Lonza]

I interpret like an expected date, probably because they don't know exactly the end date, not available...

I don't see any issue on this.

So in your opinion, no notice would be required after the contract anticipated end date as the contract has reached expiry. Therefore if the client wants to extend passed this date, it would be a variation of the terms (and thus require my agreement?)

Thanks for taking the time to respond. I appreciate it.

[northernladuk]

It does have a date quoted - FYI. Either way I have put it to IPSE.

You should be golden then. IPSE is a good call. Even if it's budget related as Mal it will just mean they will tell you to stop coming in. The contract still runs to the date, you just won't be working so won't be being paid. Effectively the same thing but the contract will expire at the date given whatever.

[Lonza]

It's the difference between a contract OF service and a contract FOR service. The former is for employees, the latter is for us.

What is the difference between a "contract of service" and a "contract for services"? | Payroll Information from Payroll Help

It makes the comment in there that duration is important as a longer engagement starts looking like one of employments so you've got to be careful. Having a defined endpoint is pretty key to fighting this off. Not having an end date or ignoring it gives a chance for someone to argue it's looking like employment.

There is tons of other stuff to consider but time and end dates is what is being discussed here.

It does have a date quoted - FYI. Either way I have put it to IPSE.