Contracting in Norway- is it worth it?

[loden]

I'm in one right now. In Sweden though, not in Norway. Rates are generally a bit higher in Norway.

Especially look for consultancies/consultancy brokers who will do split contracts.

What's a split contract?

[m0n1k3r]

And can you tell me if you don't mind where they'll pay you £900 per day The low oil prices screwed up the whole market in Norway. You'll be lucky if you can get £400-£500 per day.

I'm in one right now. In Sweden though, not in Norway. Rates are generally a bit higher in Norway.

Especially look for consultancies/consultancy brokers who will do split contracts.

[blackeye]

And can you tell me if you don't mind where they'll pay you £900 per day The low oil prices screwed up the whole market in Norway. You'll be lucky if you can get £400-£500 per day.

Banking gigs in the nordics pay decent rates. £1k a day is similar to £600 in London due to high taxes.

[loden]

It is very uncommon to find contract rates stated for gigs in the Nordics. The reason is that they view you as an external supplier, not as a mere temp, and they expect you to state your rate, as any supplier would.

If a rate is stated, then it is because they want a temp they can exercise command and control over.

Certain UK-based agencies advertise rates for gigs in the Nordics. They are usually made up (because the end client will usually not tell them what their budget is), and frequently below market rates.



The hourly rate would be from NOK kr 1200 and up per hour. The UK and Ireland use day rates, most of the rest of Europe use hourly rates.

kr 1200 per hour is around £900 per day.

Gigs in the Nordics tend to be long, usually 6+ months but much longer or even without a specific term is not uncommon.

And can you tell me if you don't mind where they'll pay you £900 per day The low oil prices screwed up the whole market in Norway. You'll be lucky if you can get £400-£500 per day.

[m0n1k3r]

For example, I just saw this advert for a Java Architect today on the job boards
...
(( No contract rate supplied in the ad, 12 months work ))

It is very uncommon to find contract rates stated for gigs in the Nordics. The reason is that they view you as an external supplier, not as a mere temp, and they expect you to state your rate, as any supplier would.

If a rate is stated, then it is because they want a temp they can exercise command and control over.

Certain UK-based agencies advertise rates for gigs in the Nordics. They are usually made up (because the end client will usually not tell them what their budget is), and frequently below market rates.

What would be an ongoing rate in Norway?
For this equivalent in London, UK, IMHO it would be at least £550 per day easy, especially when the client is asking for the Earth and all it's riches. I suspect this would double in Norway, but I don't know. It just seems so hair-brained to me like a scam. It is sounds to good to be true, then ...

The hourly rate would be from NOK kr 1200 and up per hour. The UK and Ireland use day rates, most of the rest of Europe use hourly rates.

kr 1200 per hour is around £900 per day.

Gigs in the Nordics tend to be long, usually 6+ months but much longer or even without a specific term is not uncommon.

[loden]

In the other thread, Contracting in Holland, I see this is related. This is the time of the year again, when you see a lot of international contracts ads, but there no way to determine the coolness of the engagement.

For example, I just saw this advert for a Java Architect today on the job boards

Minimum 5+ years of Java experience
3+ Years as an Architect, TOGAF 9 certification is an added advantage
Experience with implementation of large systems that utilize J2EE and Spring technologies: Spring, JSP, Servlet, JMS, JNDI, JDBC, JMX etc.
Prepare Architecture documents, Technology Trend analysis/ roadmaps, Strategic thinking, be able to take on an enterprise or system viewpoint
Digital transformation e-commerce
REST Technology, Service base architecture, SOA, Service MIX
Angular JS / Front-end / Gulp.JS, Jasmine.JS, familiar with React a bonus
JIRA, Atlassian toolset
Docker cloud technology that could include AWS, Azure, Chef, Puppet
Understanding of Mobile Platform Development, Web Responsive Design etc.
Applied knowledge of user interface design – Any JavaScript framework, HTML5, CSS3

(( No contract rate supplied in the ad, 12 months work ))


What would be an ongoing rate in Norway?
For this equivalent in London, UK, IMHO it would be at least £550 per day easy, especially when the client is asking for the Earth and all it's riches. I suspect this would double in Norway, but I don't know. It just seems so hair-brained to me like a scam. It is sounds to good to be true, then ...

Is there an easier to determine the viability of these sort of contract gigs?
What about say working further ahead like Australia or New Zealand? Can you do for say a shorter amount of time like 3 months or even 6 months? (I'd definitely do a 3 month stint in Oz with the right conditions.)

Well, don't expect that your UK rate will correspond to double this rate in Norway. That's unfortunately not the reality. There's a lot of crap in this forum, one guy was saying he won't go unless it's £1000 or something like that, which is more like a fantasy rate IMHO. And guess what, they can always find some Indians for 1/10 of that rate

[theroyale]

If there is no rate in a foreign role then the rate is probably tulip.

Very few countries advertise rates with the ad. Britain is in a minority here..

[SueEllen]

If there is no rate in a foreign role then the rate is probably tulip.

[rocktronAMP]

Btw, are you on a long-term contract there? I'll not be willing to sign if they offer me anything less than 12 months.

In the other thread, Contracting in Holland, I see this is related. This is the time of the year again, when you see a lot of international contracts ads, but there no way to determine the coolness of the engagement.

For example, I just saw this advert for a Java Architect today on the job boards

Minimum 5+ years of Java experience
3+ Years as an Architect, TOGAF 9 certification is an added advantage
Experience with implementation of large systems that utilize J2EE and Spring technologies: Spring, JSP, Servlet, JMS, JNDI, JDBC, JMX etc.
Prepare Architecture documents, Technology Trend analysis/ roadmaps, Strategic thinking, be able to take on an enterprise or system viewpoint
Digital transformation e-commerce
REST Technology, Service base architecture, SOA, Service MIX
Angular JS / Front-end / Gulp.JS, Jasmine.JS, familiar with React a bonus
JIRA, Atlassian toolset
Docker cloud technology that could include AWS, Azure, Chef, Puppet
Understanding of Mobile Platform Development, Web Responsive Design etc.
Applied knowledge of user interface design – Any JavaScript framework, HTML5, CSS3

(( No contract rate supplied in the ad, 12 months work ))


What would be an ongoing rate in Norway?
For this equivalent in London, UK, IMHO it would be at least £550 per day easy, especially when the client is asking for the Earth and all it's riches. I suspect this would double in Norway, but I don't know. It just seems so hair-brained to me like a scam. It is sounds to good to be true, then ...

Is there an easier to determine the viability of these sort of contract gigs?
What about say working further ahead like Australia or New Zealand? Can you do for say a shorter amount of time like 3 months or even 6 months? (I'd definitely do a 3 month stint in Oz with the right conditions.)

[skysies]

Gonna need to be £1000/1200 a day to make it pay, taxes are high, accom is high and beer is 12 quid a pint.....

I'm working in Denmark and we are amazed at how expensive Norway is....

Btw, are you on a long-term contract there? I'll not be willing to sign if they offer me anything less than 12 months.

[skysies]

Gonna need to be £1000/1200 a day to make it pay, taxes are high, accom is high and beer is 12 quid a pint.....

I'm working in Denmark and we are amazed at how expensive Norway is....

Yeah I know, retention in Norway sucks.I'm def not going for the nice scenery. Btw, the contract will go through a consultancy and not directly with the client. In addition, there is the agency. Do you have any idea what cut these conultancies take? I know the agent will take around 20 pct

[stek]

Thanks! I was thinking more around £700/day, as my previous rate in the UK was £600/day. But here I had retention rate of 80% vs 60% that I'm expecting in Norway. Big difference...Housing I think is a bit cheaper in Norway compared to London. But then everything else seems sooo much more expensive over there.

£1000 per day is a great rate, but not sure if any of the companies there would offer that. Do you think that's a realistic rate to ask?

It's food and drink etc, travel all mounts up. In Copenhagen I had to take a taxi to hospital, bit of a flap, no ambulance would come, only literally 10kms there and back, 60 quid!!

There's Norwegian guys in the pub I go in, some have limiteds but most on local payroll, you have to look at retention of sub 50%, and you have to get it right. I did loads of research for here and still got things wrong that cost me.

If u really fancy it go for it, but research thoroughly and do it yourself and not rely on experts because unless ur paying thousands, they're just googling online u like or I would do.

[skysies]

Gonna need to be £1000/1200 a day to make it pay, taxes are high, accom is high and beer is 12 quid a pint.....

I'm working in Denmark and we are amazed at how expensive Norway is....

Thanks! I was thinking more around £700/day, as my previous rate in the UK was £600/day. But here I had retention rate of 80% vs 60% that I'm expecting in Norway. Big difference...Housing I think is a bit cheaper in Norway compared to London. But then everything else seems sooo much more expensive over there.

£1000 per day is a great rate, but not sure if any of the companies there would offer that. Do you think that's a realistic rate to ask?

[stek]

Hi guys,

I'll very much appreciate your advice, as I'm in a great dilemma right now.

A client offered me a contract in Norway, supposedly a long term role for 2 years. I don't know yet the daily rate. Currently I'm making around £70K in a perm position. Together with the bonus it comes to around £90K per year.

My family is here in the UK (London). We won't be moving initially to Norway, so I'll need to initially travel every week. I'll be keeping a small apartment/studio in Norway and additionally paying for my mortgage in the UK. None of the expenses, including the flights, will be paid by the client.

For what daily rate do you think it will make sense to consider this opportunity?

Many thanks

Gonna need to be £1000/1200 a day to make it pay, taxes are high, accom is high and beer is 12 quid a pint.....

I'm working in Denmark and we are amazed at how expensive Norway is....

[skysies]

Hi guys,

I'll very much appreciate your advice, as I'm in a great dilemma right now.

A client offered me a contract in Norway, supposedly a long term role for 2 years. I don't know yet the daily rate. Currently I'm making around £70K in a perm position. Together with the bonus it comes to around £90K per year.

My family is here in the UK (London). We won't be moving initially to Norway, so I'll need to initially travel every week. I'll be keeping a small apartment/studio in Norway and additionally paying for my mortgage in the UK. None of the expenses, including the flights, will be paid by the client.

For what daily rate do you think it will make sense to consider this opportunity?

Many thanks