Reply to: Wipro consultancy rate

[UhOh]

Well, hopefully I'll make some At least I'm being being given fair warning about what may lie ahead from you guys!

[skysies]

Hmm, I'm about to sign a contract with Wipro for a job in the Netherlands so this thread doesn't fill me with confidence. I'm currently in the UK and will have to relocate.
The recruitment company that contacted me about the role will be the umbrella, providing 64% retention rate, with some bonus paid at the end of the contract...?!?
This will be my first contract job so all the comments are putting me off! What do do???

From a financial point of view, the contract won't make you much money. But maybe you are going for the experience..

[UhOh]

Thanks Tarbera, had a quick look at rental accomodation and they seem to be for at least 6 months minimum unfortunately...

[tarbera]

Remember

Hi Cojak,

The timescale is 6 to 12 months, but it can be extended until Nov 2018, "until completion of the project".
I get to cover the expenses (travel, accommodation, etc unless work related), I think due to the Dutch 30% tax ruling..?

The day they think they can do 10% of your job you will be replaced - don't take a long let

[UhOh]

Hi Nucastle,

Thanks for the input. The rate is a lot more than what I'm on at the moment and I probably won't travel home that often, though I do have a house and mortgage here in the UK. I'm not sure how that will be affected!

[nucastle]

Hmm, I'm about to sign a contract with Wipro for a job in the Netherlands so this thread doesn't fill me with confidence. I'm currently in the UK and will have to relocate.
The recruitment company that contacted me about the role will be the umbrella, providing 64% retention rate, with some bonus paid at the end of the contract...?!?
This will be my first contract job so all the comments are putting me off! What do do???

I'm on something similar, and had the same concerns about the 'bonus' at the end.

What they have to do is withhold an amount equivalent to what your holiday allowance on a pro rata basis would be, and you get that back at the end. I initially threw my toys out of the pram as the contracts don't break this down properly and instead make it look like you are being stiffed out of half your rate. The complexities of the Dutch tax system mean you are being taxed like a brolly in the UK, but you have to account separately for the 30% allowance etc etc. For all my criticisms of agencies in the UK they are as a whole more on the ball about explaining these things.

It's only worth going out there if you are on a VERY meaty daily rate and you stay out there instead of travelling back and forth which given that you have to pay your own expenses (I do) means it's probably more worthwhile staying in the UK on a low rate (250-300 a day). I quite like the place and have negotiated a partially remote working setup so it's just about worth it for me.

[UhOh]

How long is the contract for and who covers your expenses?

Hi Cojak,

The timescale is 6 to 12 months, but it can be extended until Nov 2018, "until completion of the project".
I get to cover the expenses (travel, accommodation, etc unless work related), I think due to the Dutch 30% tax ruling..?

[cojak]

Hmm, I'm about to sign a contract with Wipro for a job in the Netherlands so this thread doesn't fill me with confidence. I'm currently in the UK and will have to relocate.
The recruitment company that contacted me about the role will be the umbrella, providing 64% retention rate, with some bonus paid at the end of the contract...?!?
This will be my first contract job so all the comments are putting me off! What do do???

How long is the contract for and who covers your expenses?

[UhOh]

Hmm, I'm about to sign a contract with Wipro for a job in the Netherlands so this thread doesn't fill me with confidence. I'm currently in the UK and will have to relocate.
The recruitment company that contacted me about the role will be the umbrella, providing 64% retention rate, with some bonus paid at the end of the contract...?!?
This will be my first contract job so all the comments are putting me off! What do do???

[SlipTheJab]

...but don't forget to bring a towel.
If you're lucky, hitch a ride with Tricia McMillan and ask her to make a booking for you at the restaurant, she knows where it is.

Now you've done it, need to get into the loft to retrieve those Adams classics for yet another read!

[Brussels Slumdog]

Wipro or any other Indian company don't speak French or German which means that the end client hardly expects me to speak a foreign language.I started my last contract speaking French but ended up talking English all day as their offshore team spoke no French.A Bob arrived on site and was looking forward to working in Belgium until he found out that his child needed to speak French to attend the local school and his rate didn't cover the €1000 a month to send the kid to a private european school

[m0n1k3r]

Best they offered me about 5 years ago was £375, they then asked why I was laughing down the phone at them.

Considering that their own rates for a 'senior' (meaning somebody with 6+ months of experience) are at around $35 per hour (£200 per day back then when I was on the receiving end), £375 is an astronomical amount of money for them.

[m0n1k3r]

You'll start off consulting, advising them how to do things properly. They'll nod, smile, and say "sure" a lot. It won't get done how you've advised.
After the third or fourth time explaining the same thing, you'll end up doing the work yourself, otherwise you'll look bad to the vendor.
You'll start to shout a lot, and find that you need to take long walks to calm down.
Eventually you'll get canned for your "attitude", while Wipro convince the vendor that they're cheap enough to just throw more bodies at the problem. They'll use your templates and plans though, and pass them off as their own.

If you manage to curb your temper, you will instead eventually be canned for not "communicating well". Whatever the reason, it is just an excuse to get rid of you once you have provided them with enough stuff that they can put in the hands of one of their own bods.

[NotAllThere]

...

In fact, we were just having a laugh at lunch today about when I landed a fellow contractor, who was lunching with us, with managing a TCS team, as it would be "good experience for him."

After 6 weeks, or so, the guy was running at a dangerous temperature, as I am really a friend, I had to say to the MD that the only deliverable they had managed, in 6 weeks, was to piss off one of my best guys.

<insert favourite provider here> staff. Can't work with them, not allowed to hit them over the head with a shovel and bury them in shallow grave in a remote spot.

[bobspud]

I worked through Wipro on an all in rate of €800pd (based in Netherlands). They paid on time, but their payment system was the most antiquated I've ever seen. They were OKish tbf, but I'd never work for them again. Life's too short, and while I personally don't have an ideological to opposition offshore outsourcing, many of the other comments about Indianisms definitely are true. Life's too short IMO.

Mixing the Dutch and wipro would be a perfect storm in my book. Working for the Dutch almost killed me. Lovely people but my Christ asking them to fix stuff that the paying client was about to sue us for was like asking to murder their first born