Reply to: Business analysts: why are there so many of you?

[SueEllen]

For the sake of clarity, and for those who speak English as a second language, the word 'dogs' here is pejorative and nothing to do with the 'dog's b*ll*cks'.

That's unfair those I know who speak English as an additional language don't have a problem understanding colloquialism and slang. Though I suppose it helps if you have actually lived in the UK and enjoyed English comedies...

[Lance]

Another thread dragged to the dogs by Bee.

For the sake of clarity, and for those who speak English as a second language, the word 'dogs' here is pejorative and nothing to do with the 'dog's b*ll*cks'.

[Cirrus]

... it's not according with a contractor's profile that should have a politeness and cooperative professional behavior.

You see, that's not professional English. "A ... profile that should have ...cooperative, professional behaviour." We don't talk like that even though the meaning can be extracted. It is disruptive, like discordant music. It's also incidentally vacuous. You use professional behaviour when you are defining professional behaviour so it's recursive, and co-operative is not really the issue here. And that's all you say. So not only is your expression careless but your thinking is dilatory. That's fine for a waiter but not an IT consultant.

I have worked with tons of foreigners who know about English language style so it's not racist as I said before.

What's your excuse, by the way? I'm never quite sure whether it's poor knowledge of English, laziness, or just modern youth-speak which seems to confuse Kingston upon Thames with Kingston, Jamaica.

[nomadd]

.. contractor's profile that should have a politeness and cooperative professional behaviour.

*cough*

Tea spilt.

[northernladuk]

Another thread dragged to the dogs by Bee.

[Bee]

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Requirements documents tend to be complex and they should really read smoothly. It's so irritating reading a paragraph and then going back over it again to guess what the BA might be trying to say.

Yes can be irritating and is more irritating when we read English (from native speakers) and they need to write a testament to say two lines, or from certain parts of UK when they don't use Standard English is even more difficult to read. There are a lot problems in communications skills with native speakers.

Nowadays you work with lots of foreigners but I really don't understand how they steal our plum jobs ('BA' = £500 on average) when they can't even speak the language.

Probably because they have other skills that you don't have.

No
It's not xenophobia. It's intolerance of lazy, puerile drivel. These people are supposed to be professionals; supposed to be contractors. They drag us all down by their disrespect for colleagues and clients. If they can't be bothered to put together proper sentences then why should they be trusted to contribute to important corporate initiatives?

By the way - this applies to you as well

This is rude and xenophobic, and it's not according with a contractor's profile that should have a politeness and cooperative professional behavior.

[Bee]

I agree. I'm a foreigner. It's not xenophobia, it is a basic requirement. If you don't care what I think, read what one of the guys a lot of Open Source programmers look up to thinks:

How To Become A Hacker

But the way he expressed the idea it’s clearly xenophobia for me.

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No



It's not xenophobia. It's intolerance of lazy, puerile drivel. These people are supposed to be professionals; supposed to be contractors. They drag us all down by their disrespect for colleagues and clients. If they can't be bothered to put together proper sentences then why should they be trusted to contribute to important corporate initiatives?

By the way - this applies to you as well

I agree. I'm a foreigner. It's not xenophobia, it is a basic requirement. If you don't care what I think, read what one of the guys a lot of Open Source programmers look up to thinks:

How To Become A Hacker

[Cirrus]

You voted out didn't you?

No

This sort of xenophobia is pretty disgusting and should not be allowed on this forum.

It's not xenophobia. It's intolerance of lazy, puerile drivel. These people are supposed to be professionals; supposed to be contractors. They drag us all down by their disrespect for colleagues and clients. If they can't be bothered to put together proper sentences then why should they be trusted to contribute to important corporate initiatives?

By the way - this applies to you as well

[Fronttoback]

There is plenty of work and I wish you all the best in your endeavours, be you BA, developer, a mix or whatever!

Long may the good conditions continue for all of us. It's all gravy really.

[LondonManc]

You voted out didn't you?

This sort of xenophobia is pretty disgusting and should not be allowed on this forum. However, I do accept that BA documentation should be a cut above the rest, especially in the more traditional deployments.

Requirement documents in particular should be water tight. An IT-equivalent of a legally binding document, where there is no way misinterpret any statement. Sadly some BAs don't have the skills to produce this sort of document.

The ability to produce good deliverables has nothing to do with nationality or ethnicity.

You've not read many TCS/Wipro documents then?

[Fronttoback]

The ability to produce good deliverables has nothing to do with nationality or ethnicity.

Correct. Half the battle is working out what the deliverable should be. Decent hires manage themselves. I haven't had a boss for years. I guide my "bosses", they look to me for that.

[blackeye]

Was Bee a BA (as his client thought) or a Functional Architect?

Either way - this is one of the things that really bugs me - surely BAs should have good written English. The problem BA I had wrote in some Nigerian patois. Bee sounds as though he's just got off the Ryanair 737 from Moldova for the first time.

Requirements documents tend to be complex and they should really read smoothly. It's so irritating reading a paragraph and then going back over it again to guess what the BA might be trying to say.

Nowadays you work with lots of foreigners but I really don't understand how they steal our plum jobs ('BA' = £500 on average) when they can't even speak the language.

You voted out didn't you?

This sort of xenophobia is pretty disgusting and should not be allowed on this forum. However, I do accept that BA documentation should be a cut above the rest, especially in the more traditional deployments.

Requirement documents in particular should be water tight. An IT-equivalent of a legally binding document, where there is no way misinterpret any statement. Sadly some BAs don't have the skills to produce this sort of document.

The ability to produce good deliverables has nothing to do with nationality or ethnicity.

[Bee]

Was Bee a BA (as his client thought) or a Functional Architect?

Either way - this is one of the things that really bugs me - surely BAs should have good written English. The problem BA I had wrote in some Nigerian patois. Bee sounds as though he's just got off the Ryanair 737 from Moldova for the first time.

Requirements documents tend to be complex and they should really read smoothly. It's so irritating reading a paragraph and then going back over it again to guess what the BA might be trying to say.

Nowadays you work with lots of foreigners but I really don't understand how they steal our plum jobs ('BA' = £500 on average) when they can't even speak the language.

LOL

[Bee]

You keep making long abstract statements about technology on an IT forum without an example or story to illustrate what you mean.

No one give an example or story, why should I give one? I only give if it's important.

On every single thread you then either ignore the poster who ask questions for clarification or make out they are thick without answering the question.

You are lying, give me a specific example.

You then start insulting posters who make comments because you refuse to answer the first poster who questioned you as you don't realise multiple people read these threads and want to know how your work and experience differs from theirs.

Another lie, give me examples. You are twisting my words.

You are posting an off topic for what?