Reply to: And so it begins...

[SlipTheJab]

I'd heard rumours that some DWP roles in Leeds/Manchester were forcing new starters inside but the rates were being increased to factor this in.

A bunch of pimps were whining on LI a few weeks ago that they couldn't find permie Java devs in Leeds for love or money as DWP were paying 570 a day contract rates, in Leeds FFS!, it's all smoke and mirrors.

[youngguy]

I got a call about a PS role. For a laugh I asked them what they thought would happen come April. "We think this will just affect local Gov initially as the rest of Gov can't afford to lose everyone, so we don't see it being a big deal". Yeah....sign me up.....

[Murder1]

Was this an MOD role? Can you let us know who/where it was?

Currently they are the only PS dept who we knew were forcibly putting everyone inside IR35, ahead of the new rules.

I'd heard rumours that some DWP roles in Leeds/Manchester were forcing new starters inside but the rates were being increased to factor this in.

[SlipTheJab]

Bleaching Agent?

May cause irritation if you come into contact with it, sounds bang on.

[DaveB]

You've been mildly amusing so far. If you carry on this way we may be forced to change your user name. Suggestions so far:

Cleaning Agent
Estate Agent
Stupid Agent

We will have a vote on it though so it will be done fairly.

Bleaching Agent?

[DaveB]

Don't know exactly where but the email states Taunton as the location and mentions SC clearance will be provided if necessary.

UK Hydrographic Office most likely.

[SlipTheJab]

Was this an MOD role? Can you let us know who/where it was?

Currently they are the only PS dept who we knew were forcibly putting everyone inside IR35, ahead of the new rules.

Don't know exactly where but the email states Taunton as the location and mentions SC clearance will be provided if necessary.

[nucastle]

Just had an agent ping me about a contract, granted the role had no relevance to my skill set but this line in his email shows that winter has indeed come...

"As this is a government client you will therefore need be working inside IR35."

Was this an MOD role? Can you let us know who/where it was?

Currently they are the only PS dept who we knew were forcibly putting everyone inside IR35, ahead of the new rules.

[Agent]

You've been mildly amusing so far. If you carry on this way we may be forced to change your user name. Suggestions so far:

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Stupid Agent

We will have a vote on it though so it will be done fairly.

Can I throw in 'Secret Agent' - a little more cred than Cleaning Agent, although I have been called Mr Muscle before

[administrator]

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Cleaning Agent
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[Agent]

You need to go have a read of this. Yes it only applies to PS contracts now, but is widely seen as a trial run for introducing it into the wider private sector. Unless agencies are on the ball you are likely to see your entire business model go up in smoke as the big consultancies start hovering up your business.

Government waves through IR35 changes from April 2017

Thanks, I'll certainly take a look. Would be awful news all round if this is the case. May have to reduce my 45% margin to 40%.

[DaveB]

I agree, will be interesting to see if the government thinks that they'll still be able to secure contractors for the same rate that they do today. Makes sense that any contractors that would entertain PS work will simply up their rate to keep net take home the same.

Then again, there's always the friendly indian outsourcers who can fill any role at £200 p/day..

You need to go have a read of this. Yes it only applies to PS contracts now, but is widely seen as a trial run for introducing it into the wider private sector. Unless agencies are on the ball you are likely to see your entire business model go up in smoke as the big consultancies start hovering up your business.

Government waves through IR35 changes from April 2017

[Agent]

It might mean that now the legislation is set to come in, everyone needs to be made aware of it. As soon as you're on to your first six month extension, you'll fall foul of it, so better to be made aware now that your expenses claims are doomed. I'm more interested to hear from PS agents as to what percentage say, "uh huh, okay" without knowing what the full implications are, compared to those that say, "ah, in that case, my day rate is £(outside IR35 rate + 40%)

I agree, will be interesting to see if the government thinks that they'll still be able to secure contractors for the same rate that they do today. Makes sense that any contractors that would entertain PS work will simply up their rate to keep net take home the same.

Then again, there's always the friendly indian outsourcers who can fill any role at £200 p/day..

[covbob]

How am I a troll? Because I disagree with some of the comments? This is a public forum isn't it?

Just because I'm sharing an opinion doesn't make me a troll.

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[LondonManc]

lol, well I don't recruit in the public sector so not really my industry at all. Looks like a consultation to me, has this come into force then?

*edit

"Any changes to legislation will be subject to a short technical consultation and the legislation would apply from April 2017" - so it means nothing at the moment, still can't see why an agency would be insisting on it now

It might mean that now the legislation is set to come in, everyone needs to be made aware of it. As soon as you're on to your first six month extension, you'll fall foul of it, so better to be made aware now that your expenses claims are doomed. I'm more interested to hear from PS agents as to what percentage say, "uh huh, okay" without knowing what the full implications are, compared to those that say, "ah, in that case, my day rate is £(outside IR35 rate + 40%)