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Originally posted by Old Greg View PostMy first contract was in Slough. The trick was to get to the Wetherspoon before dark and drink champagne until you were brave enough for a group dash to the Travelodge.
I didn't go back there again
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Used to work as a permie in Defence industry. Never went to any dodgy places but some of my colleagues did. Not for me thank you.
Not going into details for obvious reasons but even permies who went to dodgy places got a MASSIVE daily bonus. Life changing amounts for, say, 6 weeks there.
It was a LOT more than £150!!!!!
If you spend so long there (Even in a few visits) you get an active serice medal too.
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Maybe so, but it seems you've stumbled on a potent defense mechanism.
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Originally posted by Old Greg View PostAfter a Tuesday evening of nachos and champagne in Slough Wetherspoon you need an emergency evacuation.
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Originally posted by WordIsBond View PostThings like insurance, emergency protection, evacuation, etc, they can probably cover you the same as they would cover their employees, and for a lot less than you can get it independently. That kind of stuff could and should all be written into the contract. The insurance issue is well-noted, but you should get them to provide it and they almost certainly would.
For two weeks, £100/day is £1000. Nothing. In general, if they are giving employees £100 / day "danger" payment, they'd probably be expecting to give contractors £150 / day. Whether that's worth it is up to you. You have a risk, and you have the inconvenience of being away from home, and the inconvenience of being tied to base for two weeks. You've been there and know what it is like, presumably. You have a reasonable idea of how risky it is. The risk matters a lot if you have family (especially kids) depending on you, less if everyone hates you and the world will hardly miss you when you are gone, more if you are young and have a full life ahead, less if you are older and your body is showing signs of shutting down before long anyway. You know whether you'll enjoy it, whether you want the gig or not, and how much you want it, and whether you need the money or not, and what you could do with it. You are best placed to assess how refusing, or accepting, the job will affect your business relationship with the client, and how important that relationship is to your business.
So figure out what it is worth to you based on all those factors. If all that doesn't work out to it being worth £150/day more, figure out what it is worth to you, and offer that. You're a businessman, price the job by what it is worth to you. If they won't pay it, walk away.
But as I said above, if you do accept it, make sure insurance, evacuation, all the protective stuff they provide for their employees, is written into the contract.
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I mean in terms of putting it up a decent amount, not just a little bit or not at all.
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Originally posted by LJD View PostHi Folks,
Again all sound points. I think the thing I was looking for was agreement with my original plan of tripling my standard day rate to account for the danger and inconvenience.
Looks like that falls into the consensus
Cheers all.
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Hi Folks,
Again all sound points. I think the thing I was looking for was agreement with my original plan of tripling my standard day rate to account for the danger and inconvenience.
Looks like that falls into the consensus
Cheers all.
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Things like insurance, emergency protection, evacuation, etc, they can probably cover you the same as they would cover their employees, and for a lot less than you can get it independently. That kind of stuff could and should all be written into the contract. The insurance issue is well-noted, but you should get them to provide it and they almost certainly would.
For two weeks, £100/day is £1000. Nothing. In general, if they are giving employees £100 / day "danger" payment, they'd probably be expecting to give contractors £150 / day. Whether that's worth it is up to you. You have a risk, and you have the inconvenience of being away from home, and the inconvenience of being tied to base for two weeks. You've been there and know what it is like, presumably. You have a reasonable idea of how risky it is. The risk matters a lot if you have family (especially kids) depending on you, less if everyone hates you and the world will hardly miss you when you are gone, more if you are young and have a full life ahead, less if you are older and your body is showing signs of shutting down before long anyway. You know whether you'll enjoy it, whether you want the gig or not, and how much you want it, and whether you need the money or not, and what you could do with it. You are best placed to assess how refusing, or accepting, the job will affect your business relationship with the client, and how important that relationship is to your business.
So figure out what it is worth to you based on all those factors. If all that doesn't work out to it being worth £150/day more, figure out what it is worth to you, and offer that. You're a businessman, price the job by what it is worth to you. If they won't pay it, walk away.
But as I said above, if you do accept it, make sure insurance, evacuation, all the protective stuff they provide for their employees, is written into the contract.
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Originally posted by Contreras View PostHi LJD, Whatever your line of work I'd say you're seriously underselling yourself there.
£100 isn't danger money.
That, for me, would cover the inconvenience of say working at a comfy EU site. Expenses would be on top. I'm not a contracting top-earner either.
I can understand those that would do "hostile", for the adventure, life experience, and an appropriate multiple of their basic rate (I'd guess x2-x5 depending upon the environment).
As an "independent", you can't expect the same support as you would from BigCo employer. Factor in contingency costs for various emergency scenarios. If there are none then you haven't thought it through.
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Hi LJD, Whatever your line of work I'd say you're seriously underselling yourself there.
£100 isn't danger money.
That, for me, would cover the inconvenience of say working at a comfy EU site. Expenses would be on top. I'm not a contracting top-earner either.
I can understand those that would do "hostile", for the adventure, life experience, and an appropriate multiple of their basic rate (I'd guess x2-x5 depending upon the environment).
As an "independent", you can't expect the same support as you would from BigCo employer. Factor in contingency costs for various emergency scenarios. If there are none then you haven't thought it through.
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Originally posted by Old Greg View PostAs it was my first contract I bit their hand off for £500pd.
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