Reply to: Barc at the moon

[oliverson]

Maybe so but I do you've planned everything right that should be some nice downtime before starting again. Depends where you are in the contracting lifecycle. Does every day billing mean everything then fair enough but at some point you realise that isn't the be all and end all and your focus can change.

One million percent. You need to be in the game for over a decade to work this out.

[northernladuk]

I understabd that but I'm sceptical. It can take the best contractors I know weeks to get new gigs.

Maybe so but I do you've planned everything right that should be some nice downtime before starting again. Depends where you are in the contracting lifecycle. Does every day billing mean everything then fair enough but at some point you realise that isn't the be all and end all and your focus can change.

[heyya99]

Because he can get other contracts end to end so it's not really an issue.

We always say we contract for flexibility and control over what we do. He's just in an ideal situation where he can exercise this.

I understabd that but I'm sceptical. It can take the best contractors I know weeks to get new gigs.

[northernladuk]

You have turned down perfectly reasonable extensions to go on the bench, as a matter of principle?

Because he can get other contracts end to end so it's not really an issue.

We always say we contract for flexibility and control over what we do. He's just in an ideal situation where he can exercise this.

[heyya99]

I've never had a contract last longer than 12 months (and I have been offered extensions beyond that, but refused them on general principal - even if it meant going on the bench) and most are either 3 or 6 months (with a possible single extension).

You have turned down perfectly reasonable extensions to go on the bench, as a matter of principle?

[MrMarkyMark]

The only one talk crap dear boy, is you.

Hey, if people want to hide their head in the sand about becoming P&P of the client fair enough. Dont say I didnt warn you though.

So, the only way to operate is to stay the same one man band, forever, don't try and get any more work from engagers, don't engage other contractors, don't try and get on the PSL, or form a consultancy, offering specialist services, just in case you become part and parcel.

In fact, don't try and form a proper business, that HMRC would not give a jot about, because at the end of it, you are really a just a permitractor in disguise.

Total tulip.

Even after all these years, you really don't get what this is all about, do you?

[BolshieBastard]

You do talk some absolute carp sometimes. You are mixing up becoming part and parcel with growing your contractor business.

FTFY





Exactly, isn't this what our business should be heading to, multiple engagers, multiple employees, repeat business etc. etc.?



Correct again, I had up to 7 contractors, of my choice, to complete the projects I sold in.

I'm sure any working practice review would be showing you, as the contractor, as providing direction and control to that business.
Making recommendations, sourcing staff etc. just like the big boys do.

The results of this looks to be repeat business, in the future, due to successful deliver and the client being very happy.

Isn't this what it is all about?

Anyway, please stick to what you are doing and let us others prosper with, better rates, growing business, good network opportunities etc. while you scratch around moaning about, both, poorly worded and paid Capita contracts.

The only one talk crap dear boy, is you.

Hey, if people want to hide their head in the sand about becoming P&P of the client fair enough. Dont say I didnt warn you though.

[MrMarkyMark]

The person you spoke to had clearly become part and parcel of the organisation. Its not just IT Contractors who become this.

You do talk some absolute carp sometimes. You are mixing up becoming part and parcel with growing your contractor business.

FTFY

Succesful contractor because you're coming closer to being on the PSL for that organisation..

You wouldn't say the likes of IBM etc are part and parcel of any companies business if they had consultants on-site for 5 years so why is a smaller consultancy?

Exactly, isn't this what our business should be heading to, multiple engagers, multiple employees, repeat business etc. etc.?

You are also presuming incorrectly that contractor did all the work themselves and didn't subcontract work out or hire employees.

Correct again, I had up to 7 contractors, of my choice, to complete the projects I sold in.

I'm sure any working practice review would be showing you, as the contractor, as providing direction and control to that business.
Making recommendations, sourcing staff etc. just like the big boys do.

The results of this looks to be repeat business, in the future, due to successful deliver and the client being very happy.

Isn't this what it is all about?

Anyway, please stick to what you are doing and let us others prosper with, better rates, growing business, good network opportunities etc. while you scratch around moaning about, both, poorly worded and paid Capita contracts.

[nomadd]

It's just for IB - the other business areas are unaffected by this deal

..yet.

FTFY.

[DigitalUser]

Former colleague tells me that Barclays are outsourcing all their Run The Bank operation to TCS and that they've appled a 2 year rule on contractors.

It's just for IB - the other business areas are unaffected by this deal.

[SueEllen]

The person you spoke to had clearly become part and parcel of the organisation. Its not just IT Contractors who become this.

You clearly lead a sheltered life.

There are many clients who want something built to fit into their system, including in financial services, but don't have the expertise to do it. They give the contractor the autonomy to built it just like with a larger consultancy.

You wouldn't say the likes of IBM etc are part and parcel of any companies business if they had consultants on-site for 5 years so why is a smaller consultancy?

You are also presuming incorrectly that contractor did all the work themselves and didn't subcontract work out or hire employees.

[BolshieBastard]

I disagree, I work in Data Warehousing/ Data Migration on very large projects that can last years. My longest contract was working for a financial client for 3 years 9 months on the same project. The majority of the people working on the project were contractors as they had the specialised skills required.
The client just wanted to hire expertise for the duration of the project.
Isn’t that what a contractor is? Someone with specialist skills who can be contracted to come in and do stuff quickly and efficiently without needing to be managed or trained and brings skills that Clientco doesn’t have and only needs for the project?

Disagree all you want. Spend that amount of time at the client's behest and you're part and parcel of the organisation.

I admit this happened to me once. I continued to bid for and win work with the same client for nearly three and a half years. I had become part and parcel.

Decided I had to leave to stop my exposure.

[BolshieBastard]

I spoke recently to someone who had been on-site for 3 years full time then spent another 8 years on-site part-time. They had designed, built and deployed a system on their own, then won the maintenance contract.

Different organisations treat contractors differently as not all contractors are bum on seats.

The person you spoke to had clearly become part and parcel of the organisation. Its not just IT Contractors who become this.

[SueEllen]

Permietractor because you're clearly becoming part and parcel of the organisation.

Current client has policy contractors can work on site for 18 months then 'leave' for 3 months and come back for another 18 months then another 3 month break then back again.

Nearly all the contractors here do this! Why? Because they're Permietractors!

I spoke recently to someone who had been on-site for 3 years full time then spent another 8 years on-site part-time. They had designed, built and deployed a system on their own, then won the maintenance contract.

Different organisations treat contractors differently as not all contractors are bum on seats.

[Pogle]

This is utter rubbish. Its not 'very common' in IT never mind plain ordinary common!

If you're at a client for more than 12 - 18 months, you're part and parcel of the organisation.

Clearly you're not cut out to be a contractor if you think you should be with one client for so long. Its part the reason why government is shafting contracting because of fools like you who behave this way.

I disagree, I work in Data Warehousing/ Data Migration on very large projects that can last years. My longest contract was working for a financial client for 3 years 9 months on the same project. The majority of the people working on the project were contractors as they had the specialised skills required.
The client just wanted to hire expertise for the duration of the project.
Isn’t that what a contractor is? Someone with specialist skills who can be contracted to come in and do stuff quickly and efficiently without needing to be managed or trained and brings skills that Clientco doesn’t have and only needs for the project?