All Inclusive Rate

[psychocandy]

I did all inclusive once and it meant no expenses. I got them to stick it in contract - up to one visit every month to their client site (which was 150 miles away).

Ended up only going there 3 times in two years so no bother.

Once or twice I did work out of hours and had to stay there. Permies stayed in £150/night Hilton and tried to coax me to stay with them - no thanks £35 etap for me out of my pocket!

[SueEllen]

Firstly anyone who does business to business transactions expect rates to be quoted exclusive of VAT.

Secondly the agent you are dealing with is often not the same agent who will be sorting out the contract.

[meridian]

Along as it's not in writing then it can't be proven either way what either of you mean so I wouldn't worry about it.

Yes, that's correct, but I'd rather have the clarity before the contract arrives. It could also (potentially) have implications with the client, if the agency writes up a back-to-back contract with the client with the incorrect rate on it and then has to go back and explain the increase. I'd be certain they won't be explaining that it was their mistake, they would more likely be saying that the contractor has come back to ask for more...

[LondonManc]

You don't get to work through a UK Ltd on Switzerland.

Fair enough; my comment still stands though - I take all-inclusive to be expenses, not taxes.

[expat]

I take all-inclusive to mean paying your own expenses. Not sure how VAT works for a UK ltd working in Switzerland though.

You don't get to work through a UK Ltd on Switzerland.

[Contreras]

I would think it means expenses. not VAT. Anyway just to be sure, I always tell the agent my rate is xxx + VAT.

If you really want to add such caveats then it should be: "£N + VAT, with N-day payment terms, subject to contract".

Of those the "+ VAT" is the least important IMHO. It must be explicit in the contract but is implied in informal negotiation.

[SueEllen]

Along as it's not in writing then it can't be proven either way what either of you mean so I wouldn't worry about it.

[Pondlife]

If ClientCo's whole business is any of the following then since they won't be VAT registered they cannot claim the VAT you charge back and so may be interested in an all-in (VAT inc) rate;

insurance, finance and credit
education and training
fund raising events by charities
subscriptions to membership organisations
selling, leasing and letting of commercial land and buildings - this exemption can be waived

Linky

That's my understanding based on the linky anyway. Happy to be wrong.

[Eirikur]

I would think it means expenses. not VAT. Anyway just to be sure, I always tell the agent my rate is xxx + VAT.

[jmo21]

I'm sure I've seen this trick mentioned on here before.

I think anyone being asked "is that all inclusive?" would ask the agent what the meant anyway.

[LondonManc]

I take all-inclusive to mean paying your own expenses. Not sure how VAT works for a UK ltd working in Switzerland though.

[expat]

A post on the "Backdated VAT" thread mentioned agents saying "all inclusive rate", and I've just twigged to a conversation I had with an agent this afternoon.

Agent: good afternoon meridian, I'm calling about the role I sent the email to you about, the one in Switzerland.
Me: yeah, thanks for that, but I'll be sticking to London as a location for family reasons.
Agent: no problem, I'll just update your file here. When are you next available? And is your rate range still x00 to y50?
Me: current contract ends shortly, and that rate range is correct depending on client and location.
Agent: and that's all inclusive?

Now, I assumed here that he was talking about expenses, so I blathered on about local travel being included but cross-site and international travel was charged back to the client. But on reflection it seems likely that he was asking in a roundabout way whether the rate was VAT-inclusive, without actually saying so.

Something to be careful of and get clarified if it comes up again.

I have often worked cross-border and I have never heard that. IME it has always meant what you thought it meant: no nasty surprises for the agent.

BTW my one caveat in a case like that is to get the work site specified; so that there are no nasty surprise for you when they ask you to work in other places that you hadn't planned on.

[meridian]

A post on the "Backdated VAT" thread mentioned agents saying "all inclusive rate", and I've just twigged to a conversation I had with an agent this afternoon.

Agent: good afternoon meridian, I'm calling about the role I sent the email to you about, the one in Switzerland.
Me: yeah, thanks for that, but I'll be sticking to London as a location for family reasons.
Agent: no problem, I'll just update your file here. When are you next available? And is your rate range still x00 to y50?
Me: current contract ends shortly, and that rate range is correct depending on client and location.
Agent: and that's all inclusive?

Now, I assumed here that he was talking about expenses, so I blathered on about local travel being included but cross-site and international travel was charged back to the client. But on reflection it seems likely that he was asking in a roundabout way whether the rate was VAT-inclusive, without actually saying so.

Something to be careful of and get clarified if it comes up again.