Reply to: How to avoid phone calls for permanent jobs?

[LadyPenelope]

The funny fact is when you want a permanent job, you won't get it. So just try applying for some permie roles and the recruiters will quickly start ignoring you.

So true. They seem to be really suspicious of contractors for some reason. It's just a different way of working and I daresay we've all been perm in the past. But yes, they have a real problem with it.

[Oh Come On Not Again]

The funny fact is when you want a permanent job, you won't get it. So just try applying for some permie roles and the recruiters will quickly start ignoring you.

[sociopath]

Replace your CV with a branded Yourco Employee profile. That seems to do the trick.

[ujjain]

you are a business. deal with it in a business like manner.

I was thinking of setting up a VOIP server and use a phone menu...

Welcome, you have reached ujjain. Are you a recruiter? Please press 1. Are you calling for a permanent job? Press 1?

[AnthonyQuinn]

I was said not to write my day in my CV. Should I more clearly write at the top of the CV I'm only looking for contracts? 75% of the companies calling me, calls for permanent, while I've set up Jobserve and Technojobs to say contracting only.

Any similar experiences on a red hot phone with almost all permanent opportunities?

you are a business. deal with it in a business like manner.

[kaiser78]

I can't pick up the phone 25 times during office hours, as I'm still in a role at my current company.
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[Contreras]

How do I know when a message is irrelevant? Recruiters disclose often disclose very little information in voicemails.

If it's quite clear that you're contract only, restricted by location, industry or whatever, then an agent will often disclose that much in the voicemail. If they don't mention it, either in the voicemail or in the opening gambit of a call, then typically (I find) it's because the role doesn't match those requirements.

Part of what you're seeing is agents very well knowing the situation and conveniently ignoring it. You haven't quite made the leap yet, so would be an easier catch for a permie role than a long time contractor. Expect this to continue, at least as long as you call them "recruiters".

[ujjain]

I've replaced my CV with a version that more clearly states that I'm currently in a permanent role with a 2 week notice and that I'm looking to start contracting and that I am not available to pick up the phone during office hours, but that I tend to answer e-mails within 10 minutes. This has helped a whole lot.

Can you just say that you are only after contract roles when agents call ? You would only have to say it 25 times in one morning based on the above...

I can't pick up the phone 25 times during office hours, as I'm still in a role at my current company.

Simple don't use a phone!

Most of my contact is via email or linkedin which can be rejected without much effort (or more likely poiltly informed contract only) with only a few trusted pimps having my secondry mobile number

Recruiters seem to always want to tell the company name by phone, not in an e-mail, so can be tricky to find out if you've already been submitted without calling.

You could send all calls to voice mail. Just reply to the messages that are relevant.

How do I know when a message is irrelevant? Recruiters disclose often disclose very little information in voicemails.

[kaiser78]

It is probably also partly my fault, but I had 25 voicemail messages Monday morning before 12:00 and unfortunately it was 75% for permanent work. It takes time and organization in order, so you don't waste any good leads. I sometimes get confused by so much information from so many recruiters simultaneously.

Can you just say that you are only after contract roles when agents call ? You would only have to say it 25 times in one morning based on the above...

[SimonMac]

Simple don't use a phone!

Most of my contact is via email or linkedin which can be rejected without much effort (or more likely poiltly informed contract only) with only a few trusted pimps having my secondry mobile number

[northernladuk]

Worth pointing out, I was given the same advice on here when I entered the contract world OP. I did it anyway and and things are going well.

Not an attack on you Pondlife, just that the OP should listen to advice but not take it as gospel.

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[heyya99]

Stay permie, seriously.

Enjoy your 25 days hols a year, spend it with friends. If you get bored do some company funded training to do something a bit more exciting. But, and I mean this with the best intentions DO NOT RESIGN AND GO CONTRACTING. Please! It's not for everyone and after reading your previous posts I think I can honestly say, it's not for you.

Worth pointing out, I was given the same advice on here when I entered the contract world OP. I did it anyway and and things are going well.

Not an attack on you Pondlife, just that the OP should listen to advice but not take it as gospel.

[BolshieBastard]

My experience is they all leave a message if they think you are a good fit for the role. Ditto for answering your calls.

If you're aren't a good fit then I agree with your comment.

Hardly. If they dont think you're a good or reasonable fit (for the permie or contract role), 99% of them wouldnt waste their time phoning you in the first place. They'd be more productive phoning to ask for leads!

I can understand agents chancing their arm phoning contractors about permie roles. I cant see them phoning about a role your skillset doesnt match and therefore arent suitable for. Perhaps the odd idiot would do this from time to time but not regularly.

[northernladuk]

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Ty for that. I did ask my accountant but they are a little slow in responding for some reason

[No2politics]

You ought to be thankful you are getting 5 VM's in a morning about contractor roles IMO.

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