Reply to: Security Clearance and Convictions

[MojoDog]

Well, once I get through those problems, I'd like to think my father's won't affect my potential career?

I completed 22 years in the Royal Navy Submarine Service and retired as a warrant officer having joined the navy at 18 with no qualifications.

I can tell you now that if you get in* YOUR career progression will depend on YOUR hard work (or lack of) - the navy (or indeed whichever service you choose) will not make judgements based on your family history. Everyone has skeletons in the cupboard, just be honest about them.

*I use the term 'if' because I think the decision will be made based upon personnel requirements of the navy, rather than your record. That said, if they have more applicants than vacancies then they will be choosy - but welcome to life :-)

Either way, best of luck and I hope you get in. The first 22 years are the worst, after that it's a doddle - except you wont get a pension like I do :-)

[SpontaneousOrder]

and will only be exposed to material that is deemed necessary for their role.

Not entirely true. But that's what I would have thought. It looks as though things have changed.

[malvolio]

You didn't need/get SC clearance as a Marine 10 years ago. Perhaps its's a navy thing. Unless it's new and applies to both.

That's because anyone in the military is under constant supervision and will only be exposed to material that is deemed necessary for their role. But they will have been vetted before they were allowed to join.

[SpontaneousOrder]

For the Royal Navy/Royal Marines you do.

You didn't need/get SC clearance as a Marine 10 years ago. Perhaps its's a navy thing. Unless it's new and applies to both.

[PERSEC]

Can I suggest discussing how to get around the clearance process on a public forum is possibly not the smartest idea you've had today...

But I'm, so ironically clever my name is Persec...

[malvolio]

Can I suggest discussing how to get around the clearance process on a public forum is possibly not the smartest idea you've had today...

[simplicity]

A friend of mine wrote estranged on his application as he has never got on with his dad and didn't want his dad's past to ruin his job prospects. No checks were made.

He was SC cleared and no questions were asked. Families break up - it's a fact of life. People fall out, it's nothing unusual. It's your application so I suggest you think about what you want to do. If it was me there is no way I would be including his info at all. The choice is yours.

[PERSEC]

I would suggest that you do not include him on your SC application. Just write "estranged" in sections that ask for his info.

Well he doesn't live with me, so I should think that would go in my favour, although how could they check that he isn't estranged? Or is what my father is to me astranged? i.e. I only see him once a month/ two months

[simplicity]

I would suggest that you do not include him on your SC application. Just write "estranged" in sections that ask for his info.

[PERSEC]

I would say that any chance of progression through the ranks would leave you stymied. It sounds as though you have some problems of your own that need to be dealt with? You are either brave or ignorant posting on this forum?

Well, once I get through those problems, I'd like to think my father's won't affect my potential career?

[Scruff]

I would say that any chance of progression through the ranks would leave you stymied. It sounds as though you have some problems of your own that need to be dealt with? You are either brave or ignorant posting on this forum?

[PERSEC]

Sorry if I'm being thick, but what's the SC for? You don't get SC by joining the military by default.

For the Royal Navy/Royal Marines you do.

One last point. My Father is a habitual criminal, with more convictions that I and every body on this thread has fingers and toes (I'm being honest there) he's currently in prison for affray/shop lifting and has burgled houses, armed robbery on post office's, assault, GBH, drink driving, theft, drugs, car seized by customs for massive amounts of cigarettes from Europe, he's on drugs and I have no idea how many convictions he has. It's probably more than 100. Will he stop me getting in the Navy? Although I don't have that much contact with him, if at all any... it's not unusual for a year to go by without talking to him...

[vwdan]

Oh, just seen your other post and apparently you do now for some bits.

[vwdan]

Sorry if I'm being thick, but what's the SC for? You don't get SC by joining the military by default.

[PERSEC]

It's worth noting that the rehabilitation of offenders act changed in March this year, so some convictions are spent much sooner than previously.

Is it spent now? A brief guide to changes to the ROA - Information Hub by Unlock - Online self-help information for people with convictionsInformation Hub by Unlock – Online self-help information for people with convictions

May or may not have a bearing on SC, but on other stuff where you don't need to list spent convictions (home insurance etc) it can make a big difference.

Good luck!

(Edit: And get your act together - think of the stress you're giving your mother!)

Yes! Very true! Even after losing the Army, girlfriend and hope you always still have your family there for you! Suppose that's something to be very grateful for! But as you say SC advisor said no dramas, I checked your link and read up on it, these convictions will be completely spent in 2 years as of now. SO thanks for the words