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Previously on "Fear mongering Gove"

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  • Old Greg
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    Originally posted by WTFH View Post
    Had a very nice Pinot Noir from Kent at the weekend.

    It’ll be a shame to lose the vin et cidre from that TOM.
    Wine agreed, but Kentish cider isn't typically great.

    Cider apple - Wikipedia

    Cider is made in several countries and can be made from any apples. Historically the flavours preferred and varieties used to produce cider have varied by region. Many of the most traditional apple varieties used for ciders come from or are derived from those from Devon, Somerset and Herefordshire in England, Normandy in France, and Asturias in Spain, and these areas are considered to have their own broad cider styles although the many exceptions make this more of a historic footnote. Normandy cider is usually naturally carbonated and clear: Asturian cider apple varieties are mainly 'sharps' or mild 'bittersweets',[21] producing a mildly acidic cider which is customarily served by being poured from height into the glass to oxygenate it.[22]In the UK there are two broad styles of cider, determined by the types of apple available. The style associated with the east of England (East Anglia, Kent, Sussex) used surplus dessert and cooking apples and was therefore characterised by an acidic, light-bodied cider. The other style, using specific cider apple cultivars with higher tannin levels, is usually associated with the West Country, particularly Somerset, and Three Counties. Within these broad types there are also a number of more specific regional styles. The ciders of Devon were often made largely from sweets, the cultivars low in acid and tannins that typified the county's orchards.[23][24] Devon cidermakers also specialised in "keeved", or "matched" cider, where fermentation was slowed to produce a naturally sweet finish, though such ciders were usually intended for the London market and a fully fermented, dry "rough" cider was preferred for home consumption.[25] Somerset ciders, by contrast, have tended to be stronger and more tannic. Bittersweet cultivars, locally known as "Jersey" apples, were typical of Somerset, although the county's most famous apple, Kingston Black, was a mild bittersharp.[26] The West Midland county of Gloucestershire traditionally favoured bittersharp apples, giving strong ciders with a higher bite of acidity and tannins: neighbouring Worcestershire and Herefordshire also favoured acidic cider apples, but their growers also made plantings of dual purpose apples to take advantage of markets in nearby industrial centres.[26]

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  • WTFH
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    Had a very nice Pinot Noir from Kent at the weekend.

    It’ll be a shame to lose the vin et cidre from that TOM.

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  • Old Greg
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    Originally posted by darmstadt View Post
    Jérémie has clearly never been to Kent. But a neat reversal of the Pale of Calais.

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  • Paddy
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    Originally posted by Eirikur View Post
    More brexit benefit, for HM customs that is, £3.5B on import duties Which will be charged on to the customer (usually with a nice margin on top) resulting in higher retail prices in the shops
    Shoppers could pay more after no-deal Brexit - BBC News
    BBC headline "Shoppers could..." However "Shoppers will..." is what the British Retail Consortium stated.

    Black Market opportunities coming this way. Remember, trucks smuggling from Europe and selling there wares from the backs of trucks in Industrial Parks?

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  • Eirikur
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    More brexit benefit, for HM customs that is, £3.5B on import duties Which will be charged on to the customer (usually with a nice margin on top) resulting in higher retail prices in the shops
    Shoppers could pay more after no-deal Brexit - BBC News

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  • Paddy
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    Originally posted by Zigenare View Post
    Do you mean "Transport For London"?
    Transport for London is a local government body responsible for the transport system in Greater London,

    Keeping London moving - Transport for London

    FFS, Brexiters, thick as...

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  • Zigenare
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    Originally posted by WTFH View Post
    How many of the lorries would be in the congestion zone?

    Brexit benefit - lorries paying the congestion charge because they can't leave the country, think of the money the government would make from that!
    Do you mean "Transport For London"?

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  • WTFH
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    Originally posted by dsc View Post
    Assuming an average lorry is 17m long and you leave a 1m gap between them and form a single line queue of 7000 you'll get to London centre (actually slightly past as London - Dover is 76miles and 7000 lorries would be 78miles). So anyone living in London will be able to feel like being in Kent, surely a win-win.

    How many of the lorries would be in the congestion zone?

    Brexit benefit - lorries paying the congestion charge because they can't leave the country, think of the money the government would make from that!

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  • dsc
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    Assuming an average lorry is 17m long and you leave a 1m gap between them and form a single line queue of 7000 you'll get to London centre (actually slightly past as London - Dover is 76miles and 7000 lorries would be 78miles). So anyone living in London will be able to feel like being in Kent, surely a win-win.

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  • Paddy
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    Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
    The bonfire of the red tape will put an end to this nonsense.
    It was worth lying to get Brexit done. (Brexiters in general)

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  • Old Greg
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    The bonfire of the red tape will put an end to this nonsense.

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  • darmstadt
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    Originally posted by rik sherman View Post
    This is from a 3rd August government consultation document.
    Proposed legislative amendments on enforcing Operation Brock - GOV.UK
    That's right, Kent either becomes a part of France or the UK now has internal borders. Shouldn't this be called KRAP - Kent Region Access Permit?

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  • rik sherman
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    Originally posted by darmstadt View Post
    From trans.info, not too sure how accurate though:
    This is from a 3rd August government consultation document.
    Proposed legislative amendments on enforcing Operation Brock - GOV.UK

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  • darmstadt
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    From trans.info, not too sure how accurate though:

    INTERNATIONAL CARRIERS HEADING TO DOVER NEED A NEW PERMIT OR FACE A FINE OF £300 PER LORRY
    Lorries travelling to the Port of Dover or Eurotunnel will be required to have a “Kent Access Permit” by January 1st. Those without one face a fine of £300 and even vehicle impoundments, according to the the British government’s plans.


    The ‘Kent access permit’ (KAP) is part of the consultation on the enforcement of Operation Brock in 2021. Under the plans, the permit would be digitally issued to drivers, who would then receive a ‘green’ or ‘amber’ result from the Smart freight service.


    Each KAP would be valid for 24 hours to cover a single trip, and police and DVSA enforcement officers could issue penalties to hauliers found heading for Dover or Eurotunnel without one. The proposed fine of £300 per lorry would be imposed on the driver, rather than the haulier or freight forwarder who has formal responsibility for completing the customs paperwork.


    The document gives the following reason why it is drivers who should foot the bill for the fines:


    This is because the offence of not having a valid KAP, ignoring the Operation Brock contraflow, or driving without a valid Brock permit would be committed by the driver of the vehicle”.


    The changes also mean that travelling in contravention of a ‘red’ result (being advised not to travel) or failure to use the Smart Freight portal (and thereby not having a valid KAP), would be a fineable offence.


    A driver can even get several fines if they have contravened multiple requirements.


    The aim is to reduce the number of “the unready” heading to Dover


    The British government plans to introduce the permit to reduce the number of „unready” HCVs reaching Kent.


    If 80% of HCV drivers use the SF portal (ed. – Smart Freight system), and 80% of them follow the advice not to travel if they got issued a ‘red’ result, we could see a 64% reduction in the number of unready HCVs. This would reduce pressure on Kent, the Port of Dover, Eurotunnel and the Brock traffic management system, and make it easier for those HCVs that are border-ready to cross the border” – says the consultation on the need for a permit.


    The authorities say that unready lorry drivers will have the opportunity to learn how to become border-ready. They can do so by filling in the needed documentation and parking in off-road sites for a limited time. Once they have received the necessary documentation, drivers could be asked to go through a manual border-readiness check. If their documents are accepted, they can travel. However, if they cannot fulfil the required administration properly, they would have to return to their UK base of operation or their trader, the paper explains

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