Reply to: Turd removed from the sewer

[LondonManc]

Yes they were demilitarised initially and their factories were also dismantled and moved to allied countries, but in the 1950's they moved on.

So presumably you're suggesting that a couple of years in the 1950's when the Germans had rebuilt some of their factories and didn't have any military spending is the reason for their success over the following 60 years.

The UK dismantled German factories up until 1950. Surely getting "free" machines should have meant the UK would have a thriving industry.

I'm suggesting that they had a reset and with new ideas coming in (no incumbent government for obvious reasons...) felt that with the nuclear age now upon us (them) then WW3 would be end of the world. Have a look at what we'd have saved if we hadn't had any defence spending since 1945.

[Old Greg]

Yes they were demilitarised initially and their factories were also dismantled and moved to allied countries, but in the 1950's they moved on.

So presumably you're suggesting that a couple of years in the 1950's when the Germans had rebuilt some of their factories and didn't have any military spending is the reason for their success over the following 60 years.

The UK dismantled German factories up until 1950. Surely getting "free" machines should have meant the UK would have a thriving industry.

Not just that. There was also the establishment of the Saar protectorate, and post its reunification with Germany, French rights to extract coal until 1981.

[BlasterBates]

The Potsdam Agreement mainly.

Yes they were demilitarised initially and their factories were also dismantled and moved to allied countries, but in the 1950's they moved on.

So presumably you're suggesting that a couple of years in the 1950's when the Germans had rebuilt some of their factories and didn't have any military spending is the reason for their success over the following 60 years.

The UK dismantled German factories up until 1950. Surely getting "free" machines should have meant the UK would have a thriving industry.

[LondonManc]

Where do you get that from, that is complete nonsense or do you mean the period where Germany was just a load of ruins.

The other myth about Germany getting more from the Marshall plan sounds better

The Potsdam Agreement mainly.

[BlasterBates]

While the Germans had the acrimony of losing WW2, they were demilitarised, giving them a massive financial advantage of not having to worry about armed forces spending and could therefore concentrate on industrial efforts instead. Instead we ended up heavily unionised and outputting the Morris Marina and MG Maestro.

Where do you get that from, that is complete nonsense or do you mean the period where Germany was just a load of ruins.

The other myth about Germany getting more from the Marshall plan sounds better

[shaunbhoy]

Whilst we are on the subject of turd removal, anybody heard from sas lately?

Is he still attempting to ingratiate himself to Portuguese hill-bumpkins?

[LondonManc]

They were also massively deindustrialised and large amounts of intellectual property confiscated.

Which also meant that they had the benefit of a greenfield site rather than the Victorian/Georgian imperialist "we're the best" mindset. We were in a position of triumphalism, debt and complacency.

[Old Greg]

While the Germans had the acrimony of losing WW2, they were demilitarised, giving them a massive financial advantage of not having to worry about armed forces spending and could therefore concentrate on industrial efforts instead. Instead we ended up heavily unionised and outputting the Morris Marina and MG Maestro.

They were also massively deindustrialised and large amounts of intellectual property confiscated.

[LondonManc]

“How come the Germans do everything better, and when all we have to do is copy them, we fail?”
Therein lies one of the most profound questions of modern British politics.

While the Germans had the acrimony of losing WW2, they were demilitarised, giving them a massive financial advantage of not having to worry about armed forces spending and could therefore concentrate on industrial efforts instead. Instead we ended up heavily unionised and outputting the Morris Marina and MG Maestro.

[darmstadt]

It is concerning to see the situation in Germany and it’s why we are informed in our actions by experience from around the world, why the chief scientific officer, the chief medical officer, speak to their counterparts in different parts of the world to ensure that we are applying the best learning and the best experience in informing our next steps.

And then ignoring it...

[darmstadt]

Because nobody knows where the Sudetenland is...

Or, nobody wants (or has the balls to try) to tear up a thousand years of 'the British way of doing things' and adopt the German models of Government, democracy, education, and pretty much everything else which The Germans do differently. And yes, in some cases much better. Germany is a very young country, and after WWII they went back to square one. It isn't such a profound question when you're comparing apples with something that isn't apples.

Well it looks like the UK government are starting to copy other countries ways of doing things, apart from moving to the Google/Apple method of the app, here's another one: Reopened pubs will take names and details of drinkers | News | The Times Maybe if the British government hadn't been so pig headed, the country wouldn't be in the state it is now but you get what you voted for...

[vetran]

Because nobody knows where the Sudetenland is...

Or, nobody wants (or has the balls to try) to tear up a thousand years of 'the British way of doing things' and adopt the German models of Government, democracy, education, and pretty much everything else which The Germans do differently. And yes, in some cases much better. Germany is a very young country, and after WWII they went back to square one. It isn't such a profound question when you're comparing apples with something that isn't apples.

well they did stop invading France, Poland & Belgium.

[Mordac]

“How come the Germans do everything better, and when all we have to do is copy them, we fail?”
Therein lies one of the most profound questions of modern British politics.

Because nobody knows where the Sudetenland is...

Or, nobody wants (or has the balls to try) to tear up a thousand years of 'the British way of doing things' and adopt the German models of Government, democracy, education, and pretty much everything else which The Germans do differently. And yes, in some cases much better. Germany is a very young country, and after WWII they went back to square one. It isn't such a profound question when you're comparing apples with something that isn't apples.

[darmstadt]

Fuhrer Merkel will be most pleased.

“How come the Germans do everything better, and when all we have to do is copy them, we fail?”
Therein lies one of the most profound questions of modern British politics.

[LondonManc]

Fuhrer Merkel will be most pleased.