Reply to: More rehash of the same old entrenched positions

[sasguru]

Plenty of those on here .... both physically between many poster's sweaty groins, and by the tosh posted by said posters

You've got to forgive BR14 - he's self-partnered.

[Whorty]

it's all a load of old bolloks.


will that do??

Plenty of those on here .... both physically between many poster's sweaty groins, and by the tosh posted by said posters

[Old Greg]

England will be smaller than Italy in population. And will have a much smaller manufacturing industry (although larger services).
But give the ageing demographics of England (and the current propensity by all parties to splurge on the magic money tree) , I suspect the debt/GDP ratio will accelerate to Italy's level within a generation.

Patrick Minford has made it clear in his championing of Brexit that manufacturing will be virtually eliminated.

[sasguru]

A jam, tea and biscuit export powerhouse, obvs.

England will be smaller than Italy in population. And will have a much smaller manufacturing industry (although larger services).
But give the ageing demographics of England (and the current propensity by all parties to splurge on the magic money tree) , I suspect the debt/GDP ratio will accelerate to Italy's level within a generation.

[Old Greg]

Yet a mere few years after Churchill's speech, the Empire was no more. And now, most probably, the Union will be split up.
As the New Statesman says in an article this week, England will need to decide what it wants to be.

A jam, tea and biscuit export powerhouse, obvs.

[sasguru]

Oh do be quiet, we ALL KNOW now that Churchill was in favour of the UK being part of a United Europe, any any attempt by you or anyone else to unspin this bulltulip lie is pure malevolence!

Yet a mere few years after Churchill's speech, the Empire was no more. And now, most probably, the Union will be split up.
As the New Statesman says in an article this week, England will need to decide what it wants to be.

[Platypus]

Where did he say Great Britain should join?

Oh do be quiet, we ALL KNOW now that Churchill was in favour of the UK being part of a United Europe, any any attempt by you or anyone else to unspin this bulltulip lie is pure malevolence!

[BR14]

it's all a load of old bolloks.


will that do??

[NotAllThere]

Hey, you're not supposed to read the links, you're supposed to offer an unsubstantiated opinion. That's how the Brexit forum works.

[Zigenare]

You mean the same guy who helped setup the ECJ, and in a speech in 1946 said "We must build a kind of United States of Europe"?

Where did he say Great Britain should join?

What do you think he meant by "Great Britain, the British Commonwealth of Nations, mighty America — and, I trust, Soviet Russia, for then indeed all would be well — must be the friends and sponsors of the new Europe and must champion its right to live."

[NotAllThere]

Well they were all quotes from Churchill (the man not the dog...)

You mean the same guy who helped setup the ECJ, and in a speech in 1946 said "We must build a kind of United States of Europe"?

[Old Greg]

Well they were all quotes from Churchill (the man not the dog...)

And also can you clarify - who has voted in what they deem to be national interest?

MPs. That is how representative democracy works in the UK. Didn't you know that?

[meridian]

Well they were all quotes from Churchill (the man not the dog...)

And also can you clarify - who has voted in what they deem to be national interest?

Parliament has. That’s what a representative parliamentary system does.

What you think you’re describing as “democracy” is in fact ochlocracy.

[original PM]

So why do you bitch and whine like a 1930s Central European fascist, when the elected representatives act in the best traditions of British Parliamentary representative democracy, by voting in what they deem to be the national interest?

Well they were all quotes from Churchill (the man not the dog...)

And also can you clarify - who has voted in what they deem to be national interest?

[Old Greg]

How is that word “democracy” to be interpreted? My idea of it is that the plain, humble, common man, just the ordinary man who keeps a wife and family, who goes off to fight for his country when it is in trouble, goes to the poll at the appropriate time, and puts his cross on the ballot paper showing the candidate he wishes to be elected to Parliament—that he is the foundation of democracy. And it is also essential to this foundation that this man or woman should do this without fear, and without any form of intimidation or victimization. He marks his ballot paper in strict secrecy, and then elected representatives and together decide what government, or even in times of stress, what form of government they wish to have in their country. If that is democracy, I salute it. I espouse it. I would work for it.” —House of Commons, 8 December 1944

So why do you bitch and whine like a 1930s Central European fascist, when the elected representatives act in the best traditions of British Parliamentary representative democracy, by voting in what they deem to be the national interest?