Reply to: £1.5bn down the drain thanks to Brexiters

[Whorty]

You'll get nowhere going off on that tack as it presupposes that Whorty somehow possesses the ability to think, despite all evidence to the contrary.

We're gonna have to rename you from Sarg Spud to Gordon the Stalker

[shaunbhoy]

Do you think that Labours lack of support for the WA has been in the best interests of the country.

You'll get nowhere going off on that tack as it presupposes that Whorty somehow possesses the ability to think, despite all evidence to the contrary.

[Whorty]

Fair enough. Your response has been noted. short direct and to the point.

As long as you are happy with where the country is now that's fine.

Yes

[Yorkie62]

Yes

Fair enough. Your response has been noted. short direct and to the point.

As long as you are happy with where the country is now that's fine.

[Whorty]

That may be, but what did Labour stand for at the last GE. They stood on a ticket to uphold the referendum. I'll ask the question gain. Do you think that Labours lack of support for the WA has been in the best interests of the country.

Yes

[Yorkie62]

It's the way our parliament works. Our 2 party system has created this. Ask Woo Hoo, he thinks this is better than the consultative, compromise politics in the EU

I'd prefer the opposition not to just oppose whatever the sitting government puts up, but then I'd also prefer parties not to whip their MPs to vote their way even if it's not necessarily in the best interest of the country. If the opposition don't 'oppose' then you beg the question why have 2 parties instead of just one. Also, Labour supporters, who mostly voted remain, would expect their party to oppose the Tory version of Brexit. Don't forget, Labour grass roots and its voters are predominantly remain.

May and the Tories have messed this up. They will suffer in the elections for years to come.

That may be, but what did Labour stand for at the last GE. They stood on a ticket to uphold the referendum. I'll ask the question gain. Do you think that Labours lack of support for the WA has been in the best interests of the country.

[Whorty]

But as you say the negotiation of the future agreement only starts after the WA has been ratified by parliament, Therefore Labour should have no objection to the WA if their beef is with the future agreement. So what exactly was labours problem with the WA? Genuine question for any Labour activists.

Having never voted Labour, and certainly not an activist for them, I can't answer on their behalf ... but ... they were always going to oppose the WA as they were not included or involved in it's creation. This was the failing of the Tories. There is no way Labour would support the WA if they had no involvement in creating it ... this would make them culpable if/when Brexit goes all tits-up.

[Whorty]

Do you honestly think the opposition should appose everything the sitting government does just because they are the opposition, even if it is not in the best interests of the country. You cannot seriously believe that opposing TMs WA was worked out for the good of the country.

It's the way our parliament works. Our 2 party system has created this. Ask Woo Hoo, he thinks this is better than the consultative, compromise politics in the EU

I'd prefer the opposition not to just oppose whatever the sitting government puts up, but then I'd also prefer parties not to whip their MPs to vote their way even if it's not necessarily in the best interest of the country. If the opposition don't 'oppose' then you beg the question why have 2 parties instead of just one. Also, Labour supporters, who mostly voted remain, would expect their party to oppose the Tory version of Brexit. Don't forget, Labour grass roots and its voters are predominantly remain.

May and the Tories have messed this up. They will suffer in the elections for years to come.

[Yorkie62]

It's Labour's right to oppose the Tories .... it's what being the opposition means. They won't help May succeed as it's not the way our sovereign parliament works. May and the Tories could have opted for a joint working cross party to deliver Brexit but they didn't - they excluded Labour and the other parties. They are now reaping what they sowed. The Tories, all the Tories, have created the mess me have today.

Do you honestly think the opposition should appose everything the sitting government does just because they are the opposition, even if it is not in the best interests of the country. You cannot seriously believe that opposing TMs WA was worked out for the good of the country.

[Yorkie62]

May's 'deal' is just a withdrawal agreement. If this was voted through then we would leave the EU and have a transition period to negotiate the future relationship. Really simple, surely, even for you guys to understand.

Labour oppose this as the future agreement the Tories talk about does not include a CU; as the opposition party they have every right to this view. However, as the governing party it is up to the Tories to deliver brexit; it is their MPs that are failing to do this, not remain MPs.

FFS, the cretins are out in force today

But as you say the negotiation of the future agreement only starts after the WA has been ratified by parliament, Therefore Labour should have no objection to the WA if their beef is with the future agreement. So what exactly was labours problem with the WA? Genuine question for any Labour activists.

[Whorty]

To be fair, Yes if the ERG and DUP had supported the WA we could be out now, but equally if parliament ( and I include the Labour benches in this who campaigned in the last GE that they would honour the referendum result) had got behind the only deal that has been successfully negotiated with the EU then we wouldn't have this cluster ***** we have now. Any MP who stood on a platform of honouring the referendum result at the last GE needs to take responsibility for us not being out of the EU.

Who will I vote for in the next GE. I have absolutely no idea. I am tempted to vote LimDem because they have stood by their principles, and that should mean something, at least you know where you are and they don't change their minds once they have secured their salary for the next 5 years.

It's Labour's right to oppose the Tories .... it's what being the opposition means. They won't help May succeed as it's not the way our sovereign parliament works. May and the Tories could have opted for a joint working cross party to deliver Brexit but they didn't - they excluded Labour and the other parties. They are now reaping what they sowed. The Tories, all the Tories, have created the mess me have today.

[Whorty]

Nobody wants a no deal but that's the default if a mutually beneficial deal can't be negotiated and as the EU don't want any deal other than the one which keeps the UK beholden to the EU then no deal is probably the outcome.

I'm still amazed that so many people want to rush headlong into the great EU dictatorship of the future and take up where the USSR left off. I remember not so many years ago people violently demonstrating against globalisation but now those same people appear to be in love with the idea but on a European scale and wantonly willing to give more power to a diminishing elite. Exactly who are the 's in this situation comrade?

May's 'deal' is just a withdrawal agreement. If this was voted through then we would leave the EU and have a transition period to negotiate the future relationship. Really simple, surely, even for you guys to understand.

Labour oppose this as the future agreement the Tories talk about does not include a CU; as the opposition party they have every right to this view. However, as the governing party it is up to the Tories to deliver brexit; it is their MPs that are failing to do this, not remain MPs.

FFS, the cretins are out in force today

[Yorkie62]

Do grow up you feckwit. It was the ERG and DUP, supposedly supporters of Brexit, that have been petulant and refused to support May in delivering Brexit.

It's they you need to be angry and gammon at, not remainer MPs who have stuck by their principles. But hey, you guys are not happy unless you're complaining

To be fair, Yes if the ERG and DUP had supported the WA we could be out now, but equally if parliament ( and I include the Labour benches in this who campaigned in the last GE that they would honour the referendum result) had got behind the only deal that has been successfully negotiated with the EU then we wouldn't have this cluster ***** we have now. Any MP who stood on a platform of honouring the referendum result at the last GE needs to take responsibility for us not being out of the EU.

Who will I vote for in the next GE. I have absolutely no idea. I am tempted to vote LimDem because they have stood by their principles, and that should mean something, at least you know where you are and they don't change their minds once they have secured their salary for the next 5 years.

[Whorty]

Yes thank you remoaners and pathetic politicos for petulantly buggering up the Brexit and generating such wasted expense

Do grow up you feckwit. It was the ERG and DUP, supposedly supporters of Brexit, that have been petulant and refused to support May in delivering Brexit.

It's they you need to be angry and gammon at, not remainer MPs who have stuck by their principles. But hey, you guys are not happy unless you're complaining

[tazdevil]

Lol, always someone else’s fault with Brexiters...

It’s for No Deal preparation. This is the initial cost of leaving with No Deal. Remind us who wanted No Deal?

Nobody wants a no deal but that's the default if a mutually beneficial deal can't be negotiated and as the EU don't want any deal other than the one which keeps the UK beholden to the EU then no deal is probably the outcome.

I'm still amazed that so many people want to rush headlong into the great EU dictatorship of the future and take up where the USSR left off. I remember not so many years ago people violently demonstrating against globalisation but now those same people appear to be in love with the idea but on a European scale and wantonly willing to give more power to a diminishing elite. Exactly who are the 's in this situation comrade?