Reply to: Metropolitan elites telling us what to do

[darmstadt]

They are that stupid as has been proven time and time again...KKK

Hahahahahahahaha, **** me, perhaps them all being white does have something to do with it.

Surely public school types can’t be this stupid and lacking in common sense?

[meridian]

Hahahahahahahaha, **** me, perhaps them all being white does have something to do with it.

Surely public school types can’t be this stupid and lacking in common sense?

[Whorty]

Labour’s manifesto went out of date the day they lost the election. SNP and Lib Dems are sticking to theirs. The DUP, who knows.

Which just leaves the minority government of the Conservatives.

Clue is in the word “minority”.

What other manifesto promises have the Conservatives stuck to and implemented since 2017?

Add to this that quite a few Tory MPs run their campaign on a leave card, so the minority Tory manifesto is even more minority. Hence why they should have worked cross bench.

The only party campaigning for WTO / no-deal was UKIP and they got exactly ZERO seats. It is therefore undemocratic to leave with no-deal when the Tory manifesto was to leave with a deal.

One day the leavers will understand this. Maybe

[meridian]

because it is what we elect our MPs on. otherwise they could tell you any old tulip on the door step to get your vote and do exactly the opposite when elected. Oh sorry that is exactly what they are doing right now. Silly me.

But that’s not what a manifesto is.

From the Parliamentary website:

Manifesto - Glossary page - UK Parliament

A manifesto is a publication issued by a political party before a General Election. It contains the set of policies that the party stands for and would wish to implement if elected to govern.

I’ve highlighted the important bit for you. Labour were not elected to govern, therefore their manifesto becomes null and void once the election is over. They are then free to provide Opposition, as Parliament should be.

[Old Greg]

because it is what we elect our MPs on. otherwise they could tell you any old tulip on the door step to get your vote and do exactly the opposite when elected. Oh sorry that is exactly what they are doing right now. Silly me.

This is the British model of representative parliamentary democracy.

[Yorkie62]

Why do you think that a political party manifesto is still valid even if that party is not in Government?

because it is what we elect our MPs on. otherwise they could tell you any old tulip on the door step to get your vote and do exactly the opposite when elected. Oh sorry that is exactly what they are doing right now. Silly me.

[BlasterBates]

The answer is to vote Labour at the next election as they are not breaking their election promises unlike the Tories.

[BlasterBates]

I mean the manifesto, regardless of political party, on which they were elected as an MP. i.e. the promises they made to the public at the time of the GE.

Given you response I take that you think it is fine for any MP to renege of any promises they made to the public at the time of a GE.

Labour promised not to allow a no-deal Brexit at the GE.

They promised a Brino. It's in black and white in their manifesto.

They should adhere to their promises at the GE.

[meridian]

I mean the manifesto, regardless of political party, on which they were elected as an MP. i.e. the promises they made to the public at the time of the GE.

Given you response I take that you think it is fine for any MP to renege of any promises they made to the public at the time of a GE.

Why do you think that a political party manifesto is still valid even if that party is not in Government?

[Yorkie62]

You probably mean the Conservative manifesto. The Labour manifesto explicitly ruled out no deal.

I mean the manifesto, regardless of political party, on which they were elected as an MP. i.e. the promises they made to the public at the time of the GE.

Given you response I take that you think it is fine for any MP to renege of any promises they made to the public at the time of a GE.

[original PM]

You probably mean the Conservative manifesto. The Labour manifesto explicitly ruled out no deal.

Well that's nice

and if the EU do not agree to a deal then the Labour manifesto goes against the democratic vote

so fook em.

[meridian]

Do you not think it would be good and honourable for MPs to stand by the manifesto on which they were elected then?

Labour’s manifesto went out of date the day they lost the election. SNP and Lib Dems are sticking to theirs. The DUP, who knows.

Which just leaves the minority government of the Conservatives.

Clue is in the word “minority”.

What other manifesto promises have the Conservatives stuck to and implemented since 2017?

[BlasterBates]

Do you not think it would be good and honourable for MPs to stand by the manifesto on which they were elected then?

You probably mean the Conservative manifesto. The Labour manifesto explicitly ruled out no deal.

[Yorkie62]

Come on fella, get your argument straight. On one thread you argue that we voted these MPs in and therefore we should allow democracy to run and let these MPs decide on our behalf, then on another thread you say that the MPs are mostly remainers and not allowing democracy as they won't sign off May's deal.

So what do you prefer, the current MPs making the decisions that they feel right and you're happy with that, or that only 150 or so brexit MPs make all decisions for you/us?

Do you not think it would be good and honourable for MPs to stand by the manifesto on which they were elected then?

[Whorty]

They were democratically elected by their constituents at the last GE, and the Tory Party is currently party that forms the government of this country. The backroom deal as you put it are just politics, after all TM is meeting JC today for very similar discussions. It is perfectly acceptable for an organisation to get its 'story' straight within itself before going into discussions/meeting with other organisations on the same topic.

Or is it just that you have a problem with democracy.

We would love to but unfortunately the 500 odd remainers in the UK parliament won't let this happen. We have an agreed deal with the EU. It might not be the best deal, It might not be to everyones liking, but it is the deal that is agreed with the EU. Let's just get on with it an move on.

Come on fella, get your argument straight. On one thread you argue that we voted these MPs in and therefore we should allow democracy to run and let these MPs decide on our behalf, then on another thread you say that the MPs are mostly remainers and not allowing democracy as they won't sign off May's deal.

So what do you prefer, the current MPs making the decisions that they feel right and you're happy with that, or that only 150 or so brexit MPs make all decisions for you/us?