Article 50 Extension

[Old Greg]

Lawyers rule number one.

For every barrister's opinion, there will be another barrister who will give an equal but opposite opinion.

But the uneducated spud basher will hang on every word with slack-jawed admiration at the big words and fancy dress, like a penniless Victorian urchin pressing his nose against a sweet shop window.

[BlasterBates]

That has now killed May's deal, which means the focus will return to Corbyn's deal, Common Market 2.0. It's either that or no deal.

That should focus minds.

....and congratulations to Corbyn who has now taken over the initiative with his deal.

The Tories are finished, a merciful end to their misery is in sight.

[AtW]

I want a QC opinion

[Paddy]

Lawyers rule number one.

For every barrister's opinion, there will be another barrister who will give an equal but opposite opinion.

[Old Greg]

Article 50 Extension: Info::

Just read a 'Lawyers for Britain' article on possible A50 extension and it raises some serious questions that are not being discussed by the media. namely:

1.An Article 50 extension to a date after 2 July 2019 would mean there would have to be European Parliament Elections held in the UK in June, and that the MEPs as elected would then sit for the following 5 years, regardless of when the UK leaves the EU. The EU will be very reluctant to grant such an extension due to above.

2.A shorter A50 extension ending before 2 July 2019 would only allow a maximum of 3 more weeks of effective 'UK/EU negotiation time', because the European Parliament will rise on 18 April 2019 before its 2019 Elections. Any Withdrawal Agreement must therefore be ratified by the European Parliament before that date.

3.Any request for an Article 50 extension will make the UK a 'supplicant'. It is likely that onerous conditions will be imposed on UK, whether by the EU collectively or by individual Member States — each of whom has a 'veto'. Spain is likely to demand permanent concessions over Gibraltar, and Germany may want to lock in the UK’s obligation to pay the £39bn under the Withdrawal Agreement.

Summarising: A short extension will only give effectively "3 weeks" from today to strike another deal and get it through our Parliament and ratified by the EU before they rise on April 18th. Probably impossible to achieve.
A long extension after 2nd July 2019 will mean British MEP's for 5 years which the EU will not want if we have left the EU, and EU members will argue for all sorts of compromises such as Gibraltar and Germany will want to lock us in to billions of payments. Leave on the 29th March with a NO DEAL is the only viable option .

You found the secret weapon! Deploy it against the advancing Soviets. Agree a separate peace deal with the western allies. If only there were more time!

[Whorty]

Article 50 Extension: Info::

Just read a 'Lawyers for Britain' article on possible A50 extension and it raises some serious questions that are not being discussed by the media. namely:

Maybe not in the media you read, but this has been discussed extensively on the BBC for weeks.

Same goes for Bercow's ruling yesterday. This was discussed by the BBC experts last week when MV2 failed - if only May and here team watched the Beeb news they may not have been wrong footed today!

1.An Article 50 extension to a date after 2 July 2019 would mean there would have to be European Parliament Elections held in the UK in June, and that the MEPs as elected would then sit for the following 5 years, regardless of when the UK leaves the EU. The EU will be very reluctant to grant such an extension due to above.

This has been discussed at length in the media. IF parliament DO NOT vote for May's deal the EU are not likely to give us a short extension, but instead will insist on a lengthy extension, potentially 2 years. This would mean we will have to hold EU elections (May even stated this last week in the commons during the MV2 debate).

The EU appear divided whether they will grant us a long extension but not for the reason you state. They are reluctant because they are sick of us (well, you lot of xenophobes) and just want shot of us now.

2.A shorter A50 extension ending before 2 July 2019 would only allow a maximum of 3 more weeks of effective 'UK/EU negotiation time', because the European Parliament will rise on 18 April 2019 before its 2019 Elections. Any Withdrawal Agreement must therefore be ratified by the European Parliament before that date.

This has been discussed at length in the media. IF parliament vote for May's deal we are likely to get a short 'technical' extension long enough to get the deal into UK law. Hence this extension would go to end of June and would not require us to hold EU elections.

3.Any request for an Article 50 extension will make the UK a 'supplicant'. It is likely that onerous conditions will be imposed on UK, whether by the EU collectively or by individual Member States — each of whom has a 'veto'. Spain is likely to demand permanent concessions over Gibraltar, and Germany may want to lock in the UK’s obligation to pay the £39bn under the Withdrawal Agreement.

Possibly. Or is this just Project Fear from the leave side to scare the public. If A50 is extended it will be along the same lines as we have today - this is what 'extended' means. It's not 'changing' A50, it's extending what we have today. It's not rocket science.

Summarising: A short extension will only give effectively "3 weeks" from today to strike another deal and get it through our Parliament and ratified by the EU before they rise on April 18th. Probably impossible to achieve.
A long extension after 2nd July 2019 will mean British MEP's for 5 years which the EU will not want if we have left the EU, and EU members will argue for all sorts of compromises such as Gibraltar and Germany will want to lock us in to billions of payments. Leave on the 29th March with a NO DEAL is the only viable option .

Nope, you're wrong, as noted above. A short extension will be granted only if May's deal is approved by parliament, and the extension will be purely to complete the necessary paperwork.

Not sure about the 5 years thing, not heard that before. But given you're wrong on quite a bit of the above I going to work on the assumption this is bull. I'm going to make the valid assumption that once a country is no longer in the EU then it ceases to have MEPs in their parliament too.

No deal is still on the table and the EU may force this on us. Our MPs won't allow this to happen if they have control; if forced, they are more likely to revoke A50 than accept crashing out (this was also discussed on the BBC news tonight).

Not bad for you though. An attempt at a factual post. Mostly, but at least you gave it a go

[shaunbhoy]

Article 50 Extension: Info::

Just read a 'Lawyers for Britain' article on possible A50 extension and it raises some serious questions that are not being discussed by the media. namely:

1.An Article 50 extension to a date after 2 July 2019 would mean there would have to be European Parliament Elections held in the UK in June, and that the MEPs as elected would then sit for the following 5 years, regardless of when the UK leaves the EU. The EU will be very reluctant to grant such an extension due to above.

2.A shorter A50 extension ending before 2 July 2019 would only allow a maximum of 3 more weeks of effective 'UK/EU negotiation time', because the European Parliament will rise on 18 April 2019 before its 2019 Elections. Any Withdrawal Agreement must therefore be ratified by the European Parliament before that date.

3.Any request for an Article 50 extension will make the UK a 'supplicant'. It is likely that onerous conditions will be imposed on UK, whether by the EU collectively or by individual Member States — each of whom has a 'veto'. Spain is likely to demand permanent concessions over Gibraltar, and Germany may want to lock in the UK’s obligation to pay the £39bn under the Withdrawal Agreement.

Summarising: A short extension will only give effectively "3 weeks" from today to strike another deal and get it through our Parliament and ratified by the EU before they rise on April 18th. Probably impossible to achieve.
A long extension after 2nd July 2019 will mean British MEP's for 5 years which the EU will not want if we have left the EU, and EU members will argue for all sorts of compromises such as Gibraltar and Germany will want to lock us in to billions of payments. Leave on the 29th March with a NO DEAL is the only viable option .