Reply to: Should we change the voting rules before any new referendum

[AtW]

First past the post IS the death - basically wasted vote in most of places because people vote mostly for the party in this country.

[Mordac]

Don't like the list - don't vote for it, simples.

I know you grew up in a country where voting was a ceremonial process, at best, but for those of us who take the concept of democracy seriously, it's not so "simples".
Yes, I could refuse to vote, as could everyone else, but that's the death of democracy. #WhatWouldPutinWant...

[AtW]

They then decide which of their candidates will be "an MP" for your region

Don't like the list - don't vote for it, simples.

[Mordac]

Because??

Because it's a successful and far more democratic way of voting in most other European countries?

And it's why so many European countries change their governments more often than you change your socks. It also removes the one cornerstone our system has: democratic accountability. You no longer vote for a Member of Parliament, you vote for a party. They then decide which of their candidates will be "an MP" for your region, and you can bet your arse it will be the candidate who has brown-nosed the best, and promised to vote with the party at all times and be a very good boy/girl/something in-between.

It's more democratic for political parties, but far less democratic for the voters. And in a democracy, surely that's the point. The clue's in the name...

[scooterscot]

Scrap first past the post. It worked well in 1600's but not in 2019. Landowners don't govern the plebs anymore. Well expect for Swindon, no self respecting landowner would touch that place.

[Old Greg]

hmmm, you know nothing fella. It's easy to follow orders, it's not so easy to think for yourself. It's clear on here those who are born to lead and those who are born to follow. Now get in line son, and wait for your orders.

Spuddy needs help with his orders: ten teas, four coffees, and a selection of officer grade biscuits.

[BR14]

hmmm, you know nothing fella. It's easy to follow orders, it's not so easy to think for yourself. It's clear on here those who are born to lead and those who are born to follow. Now get in line son, and wait for your orders.

i don't take orders, i'll leave that to you in your takeaway gig, twat

[Whorty]

whorty would have been a concientious objector <aka krapper> in WWII.

hmmm, you know nothing fella. It's easy to follow orders, it's not so easy to think for yourself. It's clear on here those who are born to lead and those who are born to follow. Now get in line son, and wait for your orders.

[Old Greg]

aye, - right

PoW, in the West, not of the Japanese fortunately. Like many people, he didn't talk much about it, but I understand he volunteered to stay with some wounded comrades. Don't know any more detail than that.

[BR14]

One of my great uncles was a conscientious objector. Very brave man by all accounts.

aye, - right

[Old Greg]

whorty would have been a concientious objector <aka krapper> in WWII.

One of my great uncles was a conscientious objector. Very brave man by all accounts.

[BR14]

HTH BIDI

whorty would have been a concientious objector <aka krapper> in WWII.

[Old Greg]

Meh, facts are facts. Feel free to be as hypocritical and xenophobic as you like, but it doesn't detract from the reality that his actions and decisions had a direct impact on the lives of millions, many of whom died. He also openly said he hated Indians. Not really a surprise that Brexiters see him as their hero

It is a matter of debate. Bengal famine of 1943 - Wikipedia History can't always provide a 'truth'.

What is true is that oPM understatated the number of deaths caused by Hitler (or alternatively crated a false comparison with the number of deaths caused by Mao, which favoured Hitler) and then disengaged from the conversation. Most peculiar. I wonder why.

[shaunbhoy]

but it doesn't detract from the reality that his actions and decisions had a direct impact on the lives of millions, many of whom would now be speaking German and living under the jackboots of fascism had he not led us to Victory in WWII

HTH BIDI

Not really a surprise that gurning ungrateful liberals attempt to besmirch his reputation, safe within the freedoms that his leadership helped maintain for them

[Whorty]

You must excuse Whorty. This is just his latest attempt at moral self-flagellation, involving as it does a rather abstract extrapolation of the realities.

Best to just view him as a rather pathetic comedy figure. It works for most of us.

Meh, facts are facts. Feel free to be as hypocritical and xenophobic as you like, but it doesn't detract from the reality that his actions and decisions had a direct impact on the lives of millions, many of whom died. He also openly said he hated Indians. Not really a surprise that Brexiters see him as their hero