Reply to: Revolting Tories

[Whorty]

We're busy right now. Can we ignore you some other time?

Would be nice if you did ignore me, as your stalking of me, and referencing me in pretty much every post you make, is a bit creepy. I'm starting to understand how Hollywood stars feel when they have star struck stalkers.

[shaunbhoy]

He's a brexiter. He doesn't answer questions. He will either answer a question with a completely unrelated question, or just make up some false 'facts' about the EU (again, completely unrelated to the debate going on).

We're busy right now. Can we ignore you some other time?

[Whorty]

Can you answer the question about either of them?

He's a brexiter. He doesn't answer questions. He will either answer a question with a completely unrelated question, or just make up some false 'facts' about the EU (again, completely unrelated to the debate going on).

[WTFH]

Now which MP would that be. The one I voted for, or the one in who's constituency I now live?

Both are in radically differng areas of the country

Can you answer the question about either of them?

[Yorkie62]

And what are your MP’s plans for Brexit, in detail? Or their party’s for that matter?

Now which MP would that be. The one I voted for, or the one in who's constituency I now live?

Both are in radically differng areas of the country

[meridian]

And what are your MP’s plans for Brexit, in detail? Or their party’s for that matter?

Apparently he thinks Soubry has no view on Brexit. Don’t ask him what his own MP’s views are....

[WTFH]

So you'd be quite happy to vote for those independent MPs even though in their published 11 values it appears that they have absolutely no view on the most important political decsision they are likely to encounter in their lifetime, i.e. BREXIT.

And what are your MP’s plans for Brexit, in detail? Or their party’s for that matter?

[meridian]

Revolting Tories

So you'd be quite happy to vote for those independent MPs even though in their published 11 values it appears that they have absolutely no view on the most important political decsision they are likely to encounter in their lifetime, i.e. BREXIT.

If you think they (independently) have no view, you haven’t been paying attention.

You probably don’t know what my MP’s view on Brexit is if I hadn’t mentioned it above (she’s a backbench Labour MP so rather nondescript) but as her constituent I’m very aware of her views. I expect the independent MPs’ constituents are the same.

[Yorkie62]

FTFY. I read none of them.

And before you get all agitated, at least I’m honest that I didn’t read any party’s manifesto, for several reasons:

a. They’re not legally required to implement everything in a manifesto within a parliamentary term, and they can introduce additional legislative changes that are not in any manifesto, so I don’t consider manifestos to be worth the paper they’re written on.

b. They’re written by politicians who, by their nature, are liars. See a above. Not worth the paper.

c. I voted (partly) for a local MP who had shown from her actions that she was prepared to say one thing (vote against A50) and actually do that thing, unlike about 600 other MPs. Less of a liar than the other politicians, at least.

d. As a partially tactical vote, it didn’t matter what what anyone had in their manifesto.

I doubt that anyone on this board read their party’s manifesto, which makes the claim that people agreed with and voted for a manifesto rather weak.

So you'd be quite happy to vote for those independent MPs even though in their published 11 values it appears that they have absolutely no view on the most important political decsision they are likely to encounter in their lifetime, i.e. BREXIT.

[meridian]

Revolting Tories

So whose manifesto did you read?

FTFY. I read none of them.

And before you get all agitated, at least I’m honest that I didn’t read any party’s manifesto, for several reasons:

a. They’re not legally required to implement everything in a manifesto within a parliamentary term, and they can introduce additional legislative changes that are not in any manifesto, so I don’t consider manifestos to be worth the paper they’re written on.

b. They’re written by politicians who, by their nature, are liars. See a above. Not worth the paper.

c. I voted (partly) for a local MP who had shown from her actions that she was prepared to say one thing (vote against A50) and actually do that thing, unlike about 600 other MPs. Less of a liar than the other politicians, at least.

d. As a partially tactical vote, it didn’t matter what what anyone had in their manifesto.

I doubt that anyone on this board read their party’s manifesto, which makes the claim that people agreed with and voted for a manifesto rather weak.

[original PM]

This bit is particularly wrong:



I can’t speak for everyone, obviously, but I voted Labour (for the first time) in the last election for two reasons:

- my MP voted against A50 and was/is expressly against Brexit

- it was an “anyone but Tories” vote, tactically voting to at least reduce their majority.

Neither reason means that I “agreed with their respective manifestos”.

So whose manifesto did you believe?

[meridian]

Revolting Tories

It was not party name on ballot - it was MPs, surely? [emoji57]

This bit is particularly wrong:

We elected you as a Tory/Labour MP, as we agreed with their respective manifestos.

I can’t speak for everyone, obviously, but I voted Labour (for the first time) in the last election for two reasons:

- my MP voted against A50 and was/is expressly against Brexit

- it was an “anyone but Tories” vote, tactically voting to at least reduce their majority.

Neither reason means that I “agreed with their respective manifestos”.

[AtW]

It was not party name on ballot - it was MPs, surely?

[Bean]

Isn't it funny that Brexidiots are shouting that those 12 who moved to the independent group, should resign and stand for election in their constituencies again.
The same guys who shout that the people have decided and there can't be a second referendum

Because they have now joined a group with different aims, to the party, whose aims in the manifesto are completely different.

The thinking goes something like this;

1. We elected you as a Tory/Labour MP, as we agreed with their respective manifestos.
2. You then left and joined a 'party' with wildly different aims, to the manifestos you originally stood for and were elected for.
3. So now, we say you should hold a by-election and see if the voting public still agree with you standing for them in parliament, with your new ideas in your new group.

HTH BISDI

[darmstadt]

Isn't it funny that Brexidiots are shouting that those 12 who moved to the independent group, should resign and stand for election in their constituencies again.
The same guys who shout that the people have decided and there can't be a second referendum

What like Nigel Farage resigning as an UKIP MEP but still staying on to get his high salary and pension, much like the rest of the kippers in the EP who have resigned from UKIP....