Reply to: Ireland to enforce a hard border

[shaunbhoy]

If someone from the Brexit camp would care to concisely tell us what the change is going to be,

The "changes" relate to how the future will play out.

These could evolve in a whole myriad of directions. That would also be the case even if we had decided to Remain, although probably less turbulently.

If it is absolute certainty you are after then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Perhaps you are just not cut out for the big wide world?

Maybe you got too many "mummy cuddles" whilst growing up. Whatever the reason, you come across as very needy.

[Zigenare]

If someone from the Brexit camp would care to concisely tell us what the change is going to be, then we could prepare for it. So far, anytime you're asked, you change the subject or switch to insulting.

Kotter, and all the others who write about change are very clear. If you want to change, you need to know what you are changing from and what you want to change to. As yet, the specifics of the "to-be" status are a mystery to all Brexit supporters, so how are the rest of us supposed to be preparing?

Oh, the Ironing.

[JohntheBike]

There has always been free movement of people, but for goods, not until the 1965 Anglo-Irish Free Trade
Area Agreement. Customs checks were established in the 1920s, it is said, to find a way of paying an oversized Irish army following the Irish Civil War.

"the 1965 Anglo-Irish Free Trade Area Agreement."

a clue there then!

[WTFH]

It is easy to tell who is scared of change - it is those that refuse to accept it is happening and prepare to adjust for the change.

What are you so scared of?

(that is not you personally by the way but you as in the remainers.)

If someone from the Brexit camp would care to concisely tell us what the change is going to be, then we could prepare for it. So far, anytime you're asked, you change the subject or switch to insulting.

Kotter, and all the others who write about change are very clear. If you want to change, you need to know what you are changing from and what you want to change to. As yet, the specifics of the "to-be" status are a mystery to all Brexit supporters, so how are the rest of us supposed to be preparing?

[Old Greg]

For those younger posters, there never was hard trading border with Eire and mainland UK even before the EU existed. In fact, anyone born in Eire prior to 1948 could apply for dual citizenship. The hard border was always between Eire and NI as a result of terrorist activities. There has never been any restriction on the freedom of movement of Eire nationals with the UK. Eire nationals could come to this country without having a passport. This is related to the unique history of the two nations, Eire was once part of the UK. I would agree that the EU is making things unnecessarily difficult.

There has always been free movement of people, but for goods, not until the 1965 Anglo-Irish Free Trade
Area Agreement. Customs checks were established in the 1920s, it is said, to find a way of paying an oversized Irish army following the Irish Civil War.

[Old Greg]

Well of course not all change is good - and the concept of the people ever taking a vote on whether we want to be ruled by North Korea is patently ridiculous.

However there is a large difference between leaving the EU and being ruled over by NK so not really sure what you were trying to say.

Not all change is good. Therefore you should establish that a change is good before whining about resistance to change.

[GreenMirror]

However there is a large difference between leaving the EU and being ruled over by NK so not really sure what you were trying to say.

Indeed. NK is far more democratic.

Did you know Barnier did a round of 37 shots? Though his was not golf.....

[JohntheBike]

Don't see it as being a problem other than for Eire. What the EU should do is negotiate a deal with the UK It's quite simple you sit down and say together that these are the trading terms for import/exports between our two territories The problem with the EU is that they don't want a deal because they don't want us to leave and keep forgetting we're a sovereign nation and won't be a member of the EU soon

For those younger posters, there never was hard trading border with Eire and mainland UK even before the EU existed. In fact, anyone born in Eire prior to 1948 could apply for dual citizenship. The hard border was always between Eire and NI as a result of terrorist activities. There has never been any restriction on the freedom of movement of Eire nationals with the UK. Eire nationals could come to this country without having a passport. This is related to the unique history of the two nations, Eire was once part of the UK. I would agree that the EU is making things unnecessarily difficult.

[original PM]

No. Your point was about change and resistance to change. I was pointing out that not all change is good.

The fact that you wouldn't call people who voted to be taken over by North Korea a cretin is sadly unsurprising.

Well of course not all change is good - and the concept of the people ever taking a vote on whether we want to be ruled by North Korea is patently ridiculous.

However there is a large difference between leaving the EU and being ruled over by NK so not really sure what you were trying to say.

[Mordac]

You said you wouldn't use the word "efficient" when describing barrier-free trade in the SM.
You're now saying there isn't a more efficient example, but along the way, your argument has been around flinging insults and now trying to claim you are being victimised.

If, for 30 seconds, you were able to set aside your prejudices, can you explain how the EU's barrier-free trade could be made more efficient, since, if there isn't a more efficient example currently, and you think it is inefficient, then let's hear your ideas for how to make the EU's barrier-free trade more efficient.

"Seamless" was, and is, I feel a more appropriate adjective. Your piles giving you gip or what?

[Old Greg]

It's hard to express just how much of a useful idiot you really are.

Historians constantly question why normal German people were sucked into accepting fascism in the 1930s. You would have been wilfully complicit.

You shouldn't be scared of change. The Daily Mail embraced it.

[meridian]

Lets put this in big letters for the hard of thinking.

If the people of the UK were given a referendum to agree on whether we want a North Korean takeover and that vote came out as yes then I would do my best to understand how that change will affect me and put in place the relevant changes to accommodate that.

What I would not do is immediately call everyone who voted to have the North Koreans a cretin and act like a child and try and stop the change

It's hard to express just how much of a useful idiot you really are.

Historians constantly question why normal German people were sucked into accepting fascism in the 1930s. You would have been wilfully complicit.

[Old Greg]

Lets put this in big letters for the hard of thinking.

If the people of the UK were given a referendum to agree on whether we want a North Korean takeover and that vote came out as yes then I would do my best to understand how that change will affect me and put in place the relevant changes to accommodate that.

What I would not do is immediately call everyone who voted to have the North Koreans a cretin and act like a child and try and stop the change

No. Your point was about change and resistance to change. I was pointing out that not all change is good.

The fact that you wouldn't call people who voted to be taken over by North Korea a cretin is sadly unsurprising.

[Yorkie62]

It is easy to tell who is scared of change - it is those that refuse to accept it is happening and prepare to adjust for the change.

What are you so scared of?

(that is not you personally by the way but you as in the remainers.)

And I was so looking forward to posting

[original PM]

Anti-Brexiteers are not scared of change. They are annoyed that a bunch of idiots have smashed up the Travellodge that they were booked into purely because the idiots were told by the Daily Express that Travellodges are where all the gypsies live and their horses affect your broadband speed. Oh, and throw in the total failure of the Euro and the pure evil of statins for good measure.

Brexit isn't 'change'. We're not going anywhere. It's just the destruction of where we are now.

It is easy to tell who is scared of change - it is those that refuse to accept it is happening and prepare to adjust for the change.

What are you so scared of?

(that is not you personally by the way but you as in the remainers.)