Reply to: Pre-Brexit consumer spending DOOM

[original PM]

I can actually imagine you believing Brexit is a complete success if we're not though

that would be naive mind you....

[TestMangler]

So well all be living in caves soon then - as obviously everything will be a downward spiral.

Or do you see the UK being recognised by a beneficient EU in the future - helping us out of our self dug hole - in return for subservience

is that what you believe?

I can actually imagine you believing Brexit is a complete success if we're not though

[darmstadt]

So well all be living in caves soon then - as obviously everything will be a downward spiral.

Or do you see the UK being recognised by a beneficient EU in the future - helping us out of our self dug hole - in return for subservience

is that what you believe?

Just in case, these are for your address book:

Directions to the IMF

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/I..._Locations.pdf

[GreenMirror]

So well all be living in caves soon then - as obviously everything will be a downward spiral.

Or do you see the UK being recognised by a beneficient EU in the future - helping us out of our self dug hole - in return for subservience

is that what you believe?

Nelson's column will be relocated to Berlin.

Now who was it who had that idea first?

[original PM]

It won't. But as we have to find more for train fairs and bills, and we will be poorer as a direct result of Brexit, and hence less spending power, consumer spending will ensue. Less consumer spending will threaten retailers (both high street and online) == less tax take, less employment == more benefits == less money for the NHS

Anyone see the Brexit dividend yet?

So well all be living in caves soon then - as obviously everything will be a downward spiral.

Or do you see the UK being recognised by a beneficient EU in the future - helping us out of our self dug hole - in return for subservience

is that what you believe?

[Whorty]

Why would being in the EU reduce rail fares and utility bills?

It won't. But as we have to find more for train fairs and bills, and we will be poorer as a direct result of Brexit, and hence less spending power, consumer spending will ensue. Less consumer spending will threaten retailers (both high street and online) == less tax take, less employment == more benefits == less money for the NHS

Anyone see the Brexit dividend yet?

[darmstadt]

No but the suppliers are keeping the free roaming so EE, 3, Vodafone etc are saying that your can use your UK allowances when abroad - be that in an EU country or beyond.

That was the point I was trying to make it is not just within the EU that free roaming applies so why would leaving the Eu affect it?

And then we get the discussion about how if it deters tourists from going to EU countries then it will be detrimental to said EU countries.

No we do not hold all the cards - but we do have some!

Who said you'll still get free roaming? the UK mobile companies did but that's them just saying that. Now when you're on the continent and have roaming turned on you'll be using the network that your phone connects to, this company will then pass the bill onto your provider so what is there to stop them charging your provider whatever they want? I doubt very much that all UK communications providers have signed deals with all EU providers

[Hobosapien]

But even with a withdrawal agreement it won't be free anymore after 31/12/20

That is a known unknown at this point.

If May's deal is accepted then at the end of 2020 either the transition period will be extended or a new trade agreement will be in place, which one would hope covers things important to tourists that make a significant part of UK to EU income seeing as movement of people is tied closely to trade by the EU.

[original PM]

But even with a withdrawal agreement it won't be free anymore after 31/12/20

No but the suppliers are keeping the free roaming so EE, 3, Vodafone etc are saying that your can use your UK allowances when abroad - be that in an EU country or beyond.

That was the point I was trying to make it is not just within the EU that free roaming applies so why would leaving the Eu affect it?

And then we get the discussion about how if it deters tourists from going to EU countries then it will be detrimental to said EU countries.

No we do not hold all the cards - but we do have some!

[Eirikur]

Erm but I get free data in 'Murica is that part of the EU now?

Or will leaving the EU have no effect?

Roaming charges: What will happen after Brexit? - BBC News

If the UK leaves the EU on 29 March 2019 as planned, with a withdrawal agreement in place, any changes won't happen immediately. All EU rules and regulations, including on mobile roaming anywhere in the EU, will continue to apply until the end of the transition period on 31 December 2020.

But even with a withdrawal agreement it won't be free anymore after 31/12/20

[original PM]

It did reduce and then got rid off roaming charges on telecoms an data.
Can't wait for the brexit voting , Ryan air flying, deplorables, going to low class resorts in the med to start crying over their mobile bills in the high £100's after brexit

Erm but I get free data in 'Murica is that part of the EU now?

Or will leaving the EU have no effect?

Roaming charges: What will happen after Brexit? - BBC News

[Eirikur]

Why would being in the EU reduce rail fares and utility bills?

It did reduce and then got rid off roaming charges on telecoms an data.
Can't wait for the brexit voting , Ryan air flying, deplorables, going to low class resorts in the med to start crying over their mobile bills in the high £100's after brexit

[original PM]

“It’s not because people are spending online; they’re just not spending,” she added. “We’re all facing risks as rail fares and utility bills rise and we’re all aware of that.”

Brexit worries and bad weather cloud the Christmas high street | Business | The Guardian

DOOMed!

Why would being in the EU reduce rail fares and utility bills?

[GreenMirror]

The Guardian should be celebrating. This is good for the environment.

[Eirikur]

Nothing to do with brexit, fook business, we hold all the cards, economy is booming, WTO and JRM are our saviors,