Reply to: 52% of the people agree

[Zigenare]

Correct, the court case has been heard and we are now waiting for the judgement on whether A50 can be unilaterally revoked. There's also a possibility that it can be revoked and approved with unanimous approval from the other EU member states.



What do you mean "now"? Did we hold all the cards but we lost them?



A hard Brexit is Canada, you're thinking of No Deal Brexit. By definition, No Deal Brexit means no deal, and the only way a transition period will be implemented is if there is a deal.
On March 29th we've left and we've become a third country. We will legally have more barriers than any other country for imports/exports because that's what we've chosen to do. We're not special snowflakes.

No mate, you're just a normal snowflake.

[meridian]

Apparently 'they' are looking at whether UK can unilaterally cancel article 50 so default is 'remain' rather than having to rejoin immediately at great detriment.

Correct, the court case has been heard and we are now waiting for the judgement on whether A50 can be unilaterally revoked. There's also a possibility that it can be revoked and approved with unanimous approval from the other EU member states.

i.e. The EU holds all the cards now and the only way to get a reasonable result is to call the whole thing off.

What do you mean "now"? Did we hold all the cards but we lost them?

Shame 'no deal' wasn't planned for two years ago as hard brexit would have been best way forward from current position if UK really wanted to break away from EU. I'm sure May will be able to negotiate a transition period following a hard brexit in March 2019 if all else fails, as the EU will still want to sell us their stuff. so in their interest not to put up too many barriers.

A hard Brexit is Canada, you're thinking of No Deal Brexit. By definition, No Deal Brexit means no deal, and the only way a transition period will be implemented is if there is a deal.
On March 29th we've left and we've become a third country. We will legally have more barriers than any other country for imports/exports because that's what we've chosen to do. We're not special snowflakes.

[NotAllThere]

Where is 'remain' an option? article 50 has been triggered. is it possible to reverse it?
a country can leave, waste 2 years of everyone's time, and then say 'sorry, only joking'?

Yes, it is possible. However, it isn't without consequences - losing those hard won concessions, having to pay compensation, and generally becoming the whipping boy of the other countries.

[Hobosapien]

Where is 'remain' an option? article 50 has been triggered. is it possible to reverse it?
a country can leave, waste 2 years of everyone's time, and then say 'sorry, only joking'?
I can't see that, somehow

Apparently 'they' are looking at whether UK can unilaterally cancel article 50 so default is 'remain' rather than having to rejoin immediately at great detriment.

i.e. The EU holds all the cards now and the only way to get a reasonable result is to call the whole thing off.

Shame 'no deal' wasn't planned for two years ago as hard brexit would have been best way forward from current position if UK really wanted to break away from EU. I'm sure May will be able to negotiate a transition period following a hard brexit in March 2019 if all else fails, as the EU will still want to sell us their stuff. so in their interest not to put up too many barriers.

[BR14]

'Remain' will become the only sensible option, if it isn't already. That is what is being steered towards.

Where is 'remain' an option? article 50 has been triggered. is it possible to reverse it?
a country can leave, waste 2 years of everyone's time, and then say 'sorry, only joking'?
I can't see that, somehow

[shaunbhoy]

Typical moron - couple of pollsgetit wrong in a very tight poll (especially in US), therefore any poll they don’t like will be wrong

Not really what I said though, is it?

I merely pointed out that those polls were no more or less likely than Whorty's assertion that the "will of the people" was to vote for May's deal.

You really ought to get something with a higher IQ to proof read your responses alexei. Surely one of your squirrels must have a better grasp?

[Whorty]

If they're behind closed doors, then how do you know about them?

He read it on Facebook

[darmstadt]

Did you know both the french and spanish governments have had behind closed door discussions with the rest of the EU mainly based on the fact that if those racist ****s from blighty did not come over and spend some tourist dollar their economies will be royally ****ed.

If they're behind closed doors, then how do you know about them?

[original PM]

Did you know both the french and spanish governments have had behind closed door discussions with the rest of the EU mainly based on the fact that if those racist ****s from blighty did not come over and spend some tourist dollar their economies will be royally ****ed.

[Yorkie62]

EU concessions?

They will have demands of what UK must agree to for EU to vote unanimously for article 50 end date to be extended, to allow for more fudgery by UK government to get what it wants after the public dared go against them in the referendum and subsequent general election.

Now the news is full of 'no deal will be the end of the UK' the EU can wait for UK to accept whatever is on offer.

'Remain' will become the only sensible option, if it isn't already. That is what is being steered towards.

No need to buy Euros then for my late spring break to the canaries as the pound will have being consigned to the history books by then.

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[Hobosapien]

The flaw in your argument is that you have assumed what is meant by the phrase "back to square one". Only May, and possibly her closest confidents know what she means by this phrase, and what concessions the EU are willing to offer in relation to time extensions.

EU concessions?

They will have demands of what UK must agree to for EU to vote unanimously for article 50 end date to be extended, to allow for more fudgery by UK government to get what it wants after the public dared go against them in the referendum and subsequent general election.

Now the news is full of 'no deal will be the end of the UK' the EU can wait for UK to accept whatever is on offer.

'Remain' will become the only sensible option, if it isn't already. That is what is being steered towards.

[Yorkie62]

If May's deal is voted down and it's back to square one, is there time to achieve anything other than 'no deal' by March 2019? Presume no extension is possible to that deadline and three months doesn't seem enough time for them to plan anything in response to May losing the vote.

So as with 'no deal' playing into the hands of the EU in that any deal is better than no deal but any deal is not better than 'remain' (if current news is to be believed) so no incentive for EU to give any concessions, going along with May's deal is the only way they may be able to avoid 'no deal'.

So if current government form persists, they'll vote down May's deal, arrange a people's vote that returns 'remain' but the result will be too late to avoid crashing out in March 2019 with 'no deal' and will cost far more to get back into EU in terms of what the EU would want, such as joining the Euro and other major negatives that UK managed to avoid up till now.

The flaw in your argument is that you have assumed what is meant by the phrase "back to square one". Only May, and possibly her closest confidents know what she means by this phrase, and what concessions the EU are willing to offer in relation to time extensions.

[Hobosapien]

If May's deal is voted down and it's back to square one, is there time to achieve anything other than 'no deal' by March 2019? Presume no extension is possible to that deadline and three months doesn't seem enough time for them to plan anything in response to May losing the vote.

So as with 'no deal' playing into the hands of the EU in that any deal is better than no deal but any deal is not better than 'remain' (if current news is to be believed) so no incentive for EU to give any concessions, going along with May's deal is the only way they may be able to avoid 'no deal'.

So if current government form persists, they'll vote down May's deal, arrange a people's vote that returns 'remain' but the result will be too late to avoid crashing out in March 2019 with 'no deal' and will cost far more to get back into EU in terms of what the EU would want, such as joining the Euro and other major negatives that UK managed to avoid up till now.

[NotAllThere]

Typical moron - couple of pollsgetit wrong in a very tight poll (especially in US), therefore any poll they don’t like will be wrong

It's what passes for logic in the Brexit camp. Along the lines of turkeys voting for Christmas is good for turkeys, if the majority of the turkeys vote for it. It's the will of the turkeys, innit?

[AtW]

If you believe in the poll results we would have voted Remain in 2016 and wouldn't have to worry now about doing any deals with Hilary Clinton's USA.

Typical moron - couple of pollsgetit wrong in a very tight poll (especially in US), therefore any poll they don’t like will be wrong