Reply to: Freedom of movement for Brits in EU

[Paddy]

When? Now? Of course, we haven’t left yet.

Or do you mean after March 29?

I presume he was referring to his bowel movements

[meridian]

strange I think there is still freedom of movement, plenty of tulip in this forum.

When? Now? Of course, we haven’t left yet.

Or do you mean after March 29?

[vetran]

strange I think there is still freedom of movement, plenty of tulip in this forum.

[shaunbhoy]

But it does say that you have to have any semblance of being a rational person removed from your psyche...

You'll be fine then.

[meridian]

Nope. That's not what it says.

Really? I’d be interested in your interpretation.

Rules that came into force on 1 January 2014 mean that, if you're claiming income-based jobseeker's allowance and do need to show that you are habitually resident, you cannot be viewed as habitually resident until you've been living in the UK or elsewhere in the common travel area for at least three months. This means that if you claim income-based jobseeker's allowance immediately on your return to the UK from outside this area you won't receive this benefit for at least three months.

[darmstadt]

Nope. That's not what it says.

But it does say that you have to have any semblance of being a rational person removed from your psyche...

[NotAllThere]

Just a heads-up for any Brits in the EU thinking about returning to the U.K., if you have been away for a while then ... you will need a job to come back to or you will not be able to claim any means-tested benefits:

Nope. That's not what it says.

[meridian]

Just a heads-up for any Brits in the EU thinking about returning to the U.K., if you have been away for a while then like any EU citizen you will need a job to come back to or you will not be able to claim any means-tested benefits:

British and Irish citizens - claiming benefits - Citizens Advice

However, if you've recently returned to the UK after a period living outside of the common travel area, you may have to show that you satisfy the habitual residence test in order to claim certain means-tested benefits. You should not be subject to the test if you've simply been abroad on a long holiday. In these cases you should be treated as a 'returning resident'. However, if you've spent three months or more living or working abroad you could find yourself subject to the test when you return to the UK, particularly if you no longer have property or close family in the UK.

[meridian]

Didn't May say that she would put an end to the free movement of people once and for all? It obviously goes both ways.

Yes she did, though "once and for all" is incorrect - she can't bind future governments in perpetuity.

As to whether it goes both ways, that depends on your perspective. EU citizens do not lose Freedom of Movement within the EU, they can still freely live and work in any of the 27 (plus the UK if you're Irish). Brits, however, lose Freedom of Movement to all 27 countries.

So you're quite welcome to read it as "May said that she would put an end to the free movement of British people once and for all".

[m0n1k3r]

Some excerpts from the future arrangement.

The language is very telling:
“Noting that the United Kingdom has decided”, meaning that this is a U.K. decision;
“Full reciprocity”, meaning that whatever the U.K. decides to do will be reciprocated in the EU.

Didn't May say that she would put an end to the free movement of people once and for all? It obviously goes both ways.

[original PM]

ah super another load of Brexidiots. Bremainers of little brains.

So we have a bunch of saddos who are upset because their definition of democracy is hoping those who voted against them have died off so the Hitler youth (sorry EU Youth after their indoctrination) can tip the balance.

Don't worry Shaun, if they do create an EU army these voters aren't to be feared and you won't have to come out of retirement. its more John Claude van scram than JC Van Damme but I'm sure he is happy to share his nick name - its the muppets from brussells.

I think they have already started recruitment for the EU army

[shaunbhoy]

Yet still far beyond your congnitive 'abilities'.

You have started at a low point and continued to dig. Way to go!!

Might want to spellcheck the big words in future by the way.

[Old Greg]

Jeezus, it is hardly rocket science.

Yet still far beyond your congnitive 'abilities'.

[vetran]

ah super another load of Brexidiots. Bremainers of little brains.

So we have a bunch of saddos who are upset because their definition of democracy is hoping those who voted against them have died off so the Hitler youth (sorry EU Youth after their indoctrination) can tip the balance.

Don't worry Shaun, if they do create an EU army these voters aren't to be feared and you won't have to come out of retirement. its more John Claude van scram than JC Van Damme but I'm sure he is happy to share his nick name - its the muppets from brussells.

[NotAllThere]

Ex pats in EU totally shafted, the fact they were not allowed to vote was criminal

Who said they couldn't vote? - i did.

In order to vote you needed a UK address and to be on the UK electoral roll at that address. Ex-pats living in the EU or overseas were not given the right to vote. This was despite the fact that the vast majority of countries in the world allow all their ex-pats to vote in all elections and are encouraged to do so.

The UK allows expats to vote in General Elections and referendums in the first fifteen years of absence. You are on the electorial role under your last UK address; you have to reregister every year. Children who come of age while abroad - fter some form filling and with the help of another UK national who knows them - register at their parent's last address.

While posterbhoy predictably sneers. the fact is many first world countries continue to allow their citizens to vote on country issues no matter how long they live abroad. Switzerland even allows voting on local issues - but I think that's mainly because sovereignty there resides at community/village level.