Reply to: Brexit needs to happen - and properly

[meridian]

Out of the 6 items listed on the LHS, how many of those 6 'concessions' are available to other EU members and do any use them?

Surely you can do your own research?

[darmstadt]

Or maybe Juncker is a megalomaniac who has bigger plans for Europe.

That's okay. May wants to turn Britain into a right wing dictatorship with the Conservatives now supporting Orban in Hungary and lauding Erdogan in Turkey

[Old Greg]

I don't know what David Davies is doing in these negs. He caved in on the first day and has been caving in ever since. And to think the UK held all the cards

Usually at this time of the year, he's gearing up for the row of the summer.

[sasguru]

EU leaders to block any deal without a humiliating climb down by the UK

oh dear, oh deary me, oh deary deary me

I don't know what David Davies is doing in these negs. He caved in on the first day and has been caving in ever since. And to think the UK held all the cards

[BlasterBates]

EU leaders to block any deal without a humiliating climb down by the UK

oh dear, oh deary me, oh deary deary me

[Bean]

Maybe Juncker and the rest of the EU had decided that the UK already had too many concessions compared to the other 27 member states and decided that it's time to play hardball.

Out of the 6 items listed on the LHS, how many of those 6 'concessions' are available to other EU members and do any use them?

[Zigenare]

Maybe Juncker and the rest of the EU had decided that the UK already had too many concessions compared to the other 27 member states and decided that it's time to play hardball.

Or maybe Juncker is a megalomaniac who has bigger plans for Europe.

On 4 May 2018, Juncker attended and spoke at a celebration of Karl Marx’s 200th birthday, where he defended Marx's legacy and unveiled an eighteen-foot bronze statue of Marx donated by the Chinese government. Critics accused Juncker of insulting victims of communism. MEPs from Hungary’s ruling Fidesz party wrote: "Marxist ideology led to the death of tens of millions and ruined the lives of hundreds of millions. The celebration of its founder is a mockery of their memory."

[darmstadt]

In answer to your question, if the respective organisation is in the interest of "la Belle France" the UK then imo, yes it's acceptable to buy in to the organisations.

On a personal note...

If Junker hadn't f*cked Cameron around when he went for concessions then I doubt we'd be in this mess.

Maybe Juncker and the rest of the EU had decided that the UK already had too many concessions compared to the other 27 member states and decided that it's time to play hardball.

[Zigenare]

If cherry picking benefits all and has no downside, then it's not cherry picking, it's negotiating a good deal that does not produce a negative outcome.

Of course, if the request was to stay part of CEN/CENELEC/ETSI based on 'Oh and we're not prepared to provide any funding towards the running of these organisations", then that would be cherry picking.

So the question I'd put back to a Brexit supporter is: if staying part of a European organisation was beneficial to the UK but would cost money, would it be acceptable in your eyes to pay that money, or must we break every single tie, no matter if it is going to cost the UK (and possibly others) more money to do so?

In answer to your question, if the respective organisation is in the interest of "la Belle France" the UK then imo, yes it's acceptable to buy in to the organisations.

On a personal note...

If Junker hadn't f*cked Cameron around when he went for concessions then I doubt we'd be in this mess.

[WTFH]

On a serious note...

A key phrase within most of the EU negotiation slides was "No cherry picking" - what are your thoughts on that?

If cherry picking benefits all and has no downside, then it's not cherry picking, it's negotiating a good deal that does not produce a negative outcome.

Of course, if the request was to stay part of CEN/CENELEC/ETSI based on 'Oh and we're not prepared to provide any funding towards the running of these organisations", then that would be cherry picking.

So the question I'd put back to a Brexit supporter is: if staying part of a European organisation was beneficial to the UK but would cost money, would it be acceptable in your eyes to pay that money, or must we break every single tie, no matter if it is going to cost the UK (and possibly others) more money to do so?

[Old Greg]

People seem to do that a lot on here. Is it frustrating on the other side for you?

I accept your evasion as an admission that you were once again wrong. Case closed. Move on.

[Bean]

What has all of this got to do with Brexit?

Is this what the negations are like - David Davis makes up a lie claiming it's from the EU, then tries to twist an argument, meanwhile the EU watch and wait for him to say something coherent, or to suggest what he would like to negotiate?

It's no surprise that the negotiations are falling if the UK negotiators got an F in pedantry and a U in comprehension.

But just to keep it on topic:
Your mum is so thick she voted for Brexit
You felt a squelch on your left foot this morning when you accidentally put on your girlfriend
etc.

*Negotiations

[Zigenare]

What has all of this got to do with Brexit?

Is this what the negations are like - David Davis makes up a lie claiming it's from the EU, then tries to twist an argument, meanwhile the EU watch and wait for him to say something coherent, or to suggest what he would like to negotiate?

It's no surprise that the negotiations are falling if the UK negotiators got an F in pedantry and a U in comprehension.

But just to keep it on topic:
Your mum is so thick she voted for Brexit
You felt a squelch on your left foot this morning when you accidentally put on your girlfriend
etc.

On a serious note...

A key phrase within most of the EU negotiation slides was "No cherry picking" - what are your thoughts on that?

[Bean]

Where is the misspelling? Stop avoiding the question.

People seem to do that a lot on here. Is it frustrating on the other side for you?

[WTFH]

What has all of this got to do with Brexit?

Is this what the negations are like - David Davis makes up a lie claiming it's from the EU, then tries to twist an argument, meanwhile the EU watch and wait for him to say something coherent, or to suggest what he would like to negotiate?

It's no surprise that the negotiations are falling if the UK negotiators got an F in pedantry and a U in comprehension.

But just to keep it on topic:
Your mum is so thick she voted for Brexit
You felt a squelch on your left foot this morning when you accidentally put on your girlfriend
etc.