Reply to: The doom and gloom vs reality

[motoukenin]

Everyone is blaming the Government for not coming up with a Brexit strategy. They've made no progress in two years so how useless must they be.

However, when will it dawn on everyone that there simply isn't a Brexit strategy? I guess Theresa already can see that. She's ostensibly nurturing a stay-in-only-worse-off approach but she'll never get away with that. The hard exit (which is what people voted for) is too expensive and disruptive. So all she can do is the classic deathmarch manoeuvre that so many of us project people have seen played out so many times - just keep plodding along and shoving in the invoices until the merde finally hits the fan.

Then blame everybody else.

Unfortunately most of the retards who voted for it wont be in a position to move on after 'project fail' concludes.

[Old Greg]

That's democracy for you. Bad politicians are voted in and their parties get into power because of the people who vote for them.
The Leave group based everything that is wrong with the UK on the EU. They failed to accept any responsibility lay with the UK and how the UK Government, UK Home Office, etc, brought in laws and implemented them.
Then an election was called, and the same UK government got voted in again.

These bad politicians were voted in.

Then there's the House of Lords, which according to many Leave supporters, should be disbanded.

...and hanged is the implication.

[WTFH]

Whether it's for better or for worse depends on the politicians,

That's democracy for you. Bad politicians are voted in and their parties get into power because of the people who vote for them.
The Leave group based everything that is wrong with the UK on the EU. They failed to accept any responsibility lay with the UK and how the UK Government, UK Home Office, etc, brought in laws and implemented them.
Then an election was called, and the same UK government got voted in again.

These bad politicians were voted in.

Then there's the House of Lords, which according to many Leave supporters, should be disbanded.

[meridian]

No, because that was not on the ballot form. What we voted for was to leave. That means leaving everything, for better or for worse. Whether it's for better or for worse depends on the politicians, which doesn't fill me with an enormous dose of hope...

For better or for worse depends on the politicians? That’s a massive cop-out.

The Leave campaign was all about sunny uplands and how everything would be easy. Any attempt to cost the exit was dismissed as “Project Fear”. There are no forecasted scenarios where anything will be “better”, only gradients of worse.

Let’s say that the Leave campaign was more honest about a hard Brexit:
- leaving the CU + SM, meaning a hard border in Ireland, tailbacks in Kent, JIT industries closing down and leaving the U.K.
- leaving all EU agencies, and the cost of replacing them with our own. Euratom, Galileo, Erasmus, EASA, EMA, etc
- new trade deals that will have an element of FoM about them. India, Australia, etc.
- no cash for the NHS. The cost of setting up the new agencies means that the NHS will need to cut back even further.
- etc

I suspect that the vote may have been different if all the facts and costs were laid out more honestly at the time.

[Old Greg]

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British Government's preparation for a 'no deal' Brexit has ground to a halt | Daily Mail Online

[Old Greg]

No, because that was not on the ballot form. What we voted for was to leave. That means leaving everything, for better or for worse. Whether it's for better or for worse depends on the politicians, which doesn't fill me with an enormous dose of hope...

No. Leaving everything was not on the ballot paper. Leaving the EU was on the ballot paper. The EEA, customs union and single market are up for debate.

In many ways the EEA would represent the mid point of the electorate and would also be in line with the UK's history of opt outs and negativity about ever closer union.

To respect the electorate's negativity about immigration, a model based more firmly around free movement of labour rather than free movement of people could be implemented. IIRC Norway has such a model but I may have remembered that incorrectly.

[Mordac]

People didn’t vote for a hard exit.

No, because that was not on the ballot form. What we voted for was to leave. That means leaving everything, for better or for worse. Whether it's for better or for worse depends on the politicians, which doesn't fill me with an enormous dose of hope...

[meridian]

The doom and gloom vs reality

Everyone is blaming the Government for not coming up with a Brexit strategy. They've made no progress in two years so how useless must they be.

However, when will it dawn on everyone that there simply isn't a Brexit strategy? I guess Theresa already can see that. She's ostensibly nurturing a stay-in-only-worse-off approach but she'll never get away with that. The hard exit (which is what people voted for) is too expensive and disruptive. So all she can do is the classic deathmarch manoeuvre that so many of us project people have seen played out so many times - just keep plodding along and shoving in the invoices until the merde finally hits the fan.

Then blame everybody else.

People didn’t vote for a hard exit. Yougov polls since Brexit show a majority of Remainers supporting the SM, and Brexiters split.



But you’re right about there not being a plan.

[BlasterBates]

Everyone is blaming the Government for not coming up with a Brexit strategy. They've made no progress in two years so how useless must they be.

However, when will it dawn on everyone that there simply isn't a Brexit strategy? I guess Theresa already can see that. She's ostensibly nurturing a stay-in-only-worse-off approach but she'll never get away with that. The hard exit (which is what people voted for) is too expensive and disruptive. So all she can do is the classic deathmarch manoeuvre that so many of us project people have seen played out so many times - just keep plodding along and shoving in the invoices until the merde finally hits the fan.

Then blame everybody else.

What this is all about is taking the good bits of the 1960's and combining with the good bits of the 2000's unfortunately what is now happening is that it is combining the bad bits of the 1960's with the bad bits of the 2000's.

[BlasterBates]

He's speaking to an audience of EU fanatics; if he said anything vaguely diplomatic about Brexit he'd probably be lynched "pour encourager les autres".

PS - you need to stop reading the Excess, it'll do nothing good to your blood pressure...

I don't belong to the target group for which these headlines were designed to raise blood pressure.

[Cirrus]

Rearranging the Deck Chairs on RMS Brextanic

Everyone is blaming the Government for not coming up with a Brexit strategy. They've made no progress in two years so how useless must they be.

However, when will it dawn on everyone that there simply isn't a Brexit strategy? I guess Theresa already can see that. She's ostensibly nurturing a stay-in-only-worse-off approach but she'll never get away with that. The hard exit (which is what people voted for) is too expensive and disruptive. So all she can do is the classic deathmarch manoeuvre that so many of us project people have seen played out so many times - just keep plodding along and shoving in the invoices until the merde finally hits the fan.

Then blame everybody else.

[darmstadt]

He's speaking to an audience of EU fanatics; if he said anything vaguely diplomatic about Brexit he'd probably be lynched "pour encourager les autres".

PS - you need to stop reading the Excess, it'll do nothing good to your blood pressure...

Actually it just looks like the Europhobic Express blowing things up out proportion, again.

Agree with your second comment, maybe it's the choice of paper for gammons

[Mordac]

BOW TO BRUSSELS! Barnier gets nasty and warns UK to accept EU SUPREMACY before Brexit

My money is on the UK kowtowing to Brussels.

in remarks prepared for delivery to a gathering in Portugal of jurists specialised in EU law.

He's speaking to an audience of EU fanatics; if he said anything vaguely diplomatic about Brexit he'd probably be lynched "pour encourager les autres".

PS - you need to stop reading the Excess, it'll do nothing good to your blood pressure...

[BlasterBates]

EU WON’T PAY: You’re not getting your £1BILLION Galileo satellite cash back

Lets have a whip round.

[BlasterBates]

BOW TO BRUSSELS! Barnier gets nasty and warns UK to accept EU SUPREMACY before Brexit

My money is on the UK kowtowing to Brussels.