Reply to: yum - Chlorine-washed chicken

[Old Greg]

Not my problem, but what Is all the fuss about? If you are going to eat filthy carcasses, isn't it better to disinfect them first?

[darmstadt]

Bastard experts, and British ones at that: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...nella-listeria

So now not only can you have chicken that tastes like a swimming pool, it still has all the tulip in it

[Bean]

WGAS...at least we're not ring wingers and in denial...

Who is in denial and about what?
but i'll play your avoidance game for now.....

WGAS..... at least they're not physically attacking those in skullcaps on the streets of Germany eh?

We can play this game for a while if you want

[darmstadt]

Ah, so you're both on the same level and hypocrites at the same time? - glad you're finally able to publicly admit it

WGAS...at least we're not ring wingers and in denial...

[Bean]

We both borrowed the one that Farage, Rees-Mog, Gove, Johnson, et. al. have been using since before the referendum only we took it out the box

Ah, so you're both on the same level and hypocrites at the same time? - glad you're finally able to publicly admit it

[darmstadt]

Did Blaster nick your crystal ball, or did you nick his, or have you got one each?

We both borrowed the one that Farage, Rees-Mog, Gove, Johnson, et. al. have been using since before the referendum only we took it out the box

[Bean]

So you're okay with TTIP which is pretty much what the UK will get after the event?

Did Blaster nick your crystal ball, or did you nick his, or have you got one each?

[WTFH]

Maybe in Oz....but here:

This link implies UK free range chickens will always have access to the outside
How free range is your free range egg? | BHWT

Good, you're learning.

Jane & the BHWT are a charity that we are involved in. We have taken several chickens from them - ones that would have been killed at 18 months. The oldest one we had lived to be 6. The 3 we currently have are around 3 years old and still producing 6-7 eggs per hen per week.

Now, compare a free range egg from a supermarket (even an organic one) with a free range egg from someone who keeps chickens. Then you'll know why people like to keep chickens.

[darmstadt]

You cannot feed a growing population using traditional farming methods.

Maybe when no human being is diving of hunger we can start to look at other things?

Or is it okay for a few Africans to die so long as you can sit smugly eating your free range chicken?

So you're okay with TTIP which is pretty much what the UK will get after the event?

[Bean]

Note that it doesn't say they get to go outside - just that they have access to it.
It also doesn't say they will have access to grass or soil to scratch.

A poultry farmer can call their chickens free range if they open the doors on the barn and that leads out onto a concrete area.

Free range chickens - whether raised for meat or for egg laying - may never have seen grass before they are killed.
...and most people aren't aware of what real free range chickens (or eggs) taste like.

Maybe in Oz....but here:

This link implies UK free range chickens will always have access to the outside
How free range is your free range egg? | BHWT

[original PM]

But it's not just chicken but a lot of other food products and other trade goods, from cosmetics to pesticides. The document linked to here lays out what the US sees as restrictions to trade all around the world. It wants to get rid of “onerous” rules on everything from animal welfare to chemicals to the import of crops for biofuel. The USTR’s biggest concern is the increasing importance to US trade policy of testing, labelling and certification requirements and “sanitary and phytosanitary (SPS) measures”.

Basically this means health and safety, which, ironically, was one of the many issues that annoyed some people into voting to leave in the EU referendum.

It's only 500 odd pages which maybe a little too much: https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files...e%20Report.pdf

You cannot feed a growing population using traditional farming methods.

Maybe when no human being is diving of hunger we can start to look at other things?

Or is it okay for a few Africans to die so long as you can sit smugly eating your free range chicken?

[darmstadt]

But it's not just chicken but a lot of other food products and other trade goods, from cosmetics to pesticides. The document linked to here lays out what the US sees as restrictions to trade all around the world. It wants to get rid of “onerous” rules on everything from animal welfare to chemicals to the import of crops for biofuel. The USTR’s biggest concern is the increasing importance to US trade policy of testing, labelling and certification requirements and “sanitary and phytosanitary (SPS) measures”.

Basically this means health and safety, which, ironically, was one of the many issues that annoyed some people into voting to leave in the EU referendum.

It's only 500 odd pages which maybe a little too much: https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files...e%20Report.pdf

[original PM]

Note that it doesn't say they get to go outside - just that they have access to it.
It also doesn't say they will have access to grass or soil to scratch.

A poultry farmer can call their chickens free range if they open the doors on the barn and that leads out onto a concrete area.

Free range chickens - whether raised for meat or for egg laying - may never have seen grass before they are killed.
...and most people aren't aware of what real free range chickens (or eggs) taste like.

Maybe so but I guess most people could guess that they 'taste like chicken'!

[WTFH]

for a chicken to be called free range it must have access to the outside from the age of 3 weeks onwards..

Note that it doesn't say they get to go outside - just that they have access to it.
It also doesn't say they will have access to grass or soil to scratch.

A poultry farmer can call their chickens free range if they open the doors on the barn and that leads out onto a concrete area.

Free range chickens - whether raised for meat or for egg laying - may never have seen grass before they are killed.
...and most people aren't aware of what real free range chickens (or eggs) taste like.

[original PM]

Lets check out the Australian chicken market, who signed a comprehensive trade deal with the US in the early 2000's and what impact it has had on the standards of poultry.

Stomache churning Australian chickens

I think we all know the difference between battery farming and free range...

although for that article - for a chicken to be called free range it must have access to the outside from the age of 3 weeks onwards..

however most of them are then killed when they are between 4 and 6 weeks

so they maybe we only free range for a week...