Reply to: The Pub Analogy

[Whorty]

There will continue to have freedom of movement of labour and in return for that we get access to the common market

True - but do Brexiters really want any freedom movement? I thought they were voting not to have all the refugees coming to our shores?

The only real change is that we will no longer have any MP's in the European parliament

True

The only real change is .... nor will we pay into the Europe parliament pot.

Not true. To have access to the EU markets we will have to pay.

So that seems okay ?

So long as Brexiters are happy with freedom of movement, no say on rules that we will have to follow, and we have to pay for the privilege then yes, I'm all good. Are you and your fellow Brexiters?

[original PM]

Well as we keep seeing all this is fine.

There will continue to have freedom of movement of labour and in return for that we get access to the common market

The only real change is that we will no longer have any MP's in the European parliament nor will we pay into the Europe parliament pot.

So that seems okay ?

No?

[darmstadt]

So now on the subject of 'migration' the Uk government now has control - let us see what they actually do.

**** all probably. You remember before there was free movement that there was a lot of immigration from Commonwealth countries and this will continue so and probably in greater numbers and I would suspect that all those countries queuing up to sign trade agreements, one of the points will be to allow citizens of their countries to migrate and work in the UK (in fact leading Brexiteers have already mooted this point in order to replace the East Europeans doing the jobs that the British people won't do.)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...icial-advisers

BBC ON THIS DAY | 25 | 1975: National Front rallies against Europe
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https://www.independent.co.uk/hei-fi...s-7669703.html

[sal]

I take a vote to remove any excuses of having to have free movement and put it in the hands of the government to put in place a reasonable and workable migration policy.

It's kind of a basic thing when dealing with some people - they will always come up with a reason or excuse why they cannot do something - so you just keep pushing and removing the obstacles until they have no excuses left.

So now on the subject of 'migration' the Uk government now has control - let us see what they actually do.

Or are you telling me that the UK government is tulip that we needed the EU to give them some semblance of direction and control?

So instead of removing the incompetent excuse seeking people you thought it's a better idea to remove the whole country from the EU with a vague hope they won't be able to come up with a new excuse. Did you stop and consider which is more harmful to the UK economy and the average citizen - free movement within the EU or Brexit? Talk about cutting your nose to spite your face.

I can tell you what the UK gov will do about the migration - the same think they have been doing in the past - f**k all. But let me ask you what do YOU want them to do about it and how do you imagine it can be achieved?

What i'm telling you is that the UK gov is tulip. Period. Inside or outside of the EU it doesn't matter. Brexit will not change that fact.

[BlasterBates]

So now on the subject of 'migration' the Uk government now has control - let us see what they actually do.

Since the vast majority of immigrants are actually from outside the EU I think you can assume, not very much.

Incidentally if you look at the latest statistics, the significant reduction in EU migration has been replaced by a sharp increase in non-EU migration. A trend that I suspect will continue.

If the pistons are broke changing the spark plugs won't help.

[original PM]

So here's a thought for you - What did YOU do in the past to ensure that the UK Government takes care of net migration? How are you going to ensure that it's handled properly in the future?

Do you start to see now?

I take a vote to remove any excuses of having to have free movement and put it in the hands of the government to put in place a reasonable and workable migration policy.

It's kind of a basic thing when dealing with some people - they will always come up with a reason or excuse why they cannot do something - so you just keep pushing and removing the obstacles until they have no excuses left.

So now on the subject of 'migration' the Uk government now has control - let us see what they actually do.

Or are you telling me that the UK government is tulip that we needed the EU to give them some semblance of direction and control?

[sal]

Ok so it's not like the German's have taken up arms against the rest of Europe in living memory -- oh wait yes it is - so before you so blithely state it could never happen - just have a quick think.

So the main problem when you have 2 bunches of politicians is that they lie and blame each other - this is not a new fact.

Now if the UK government has been influencing EU decisions they have clearly in many cases not being doing it for the benefit of the UK public - and so yes we are blaming the UK government - by removing their ability to blame the EU for problems - and then claim there is nothing they can do about it.

So lets take free movement of labour - as everyone keep saying we could have had more control over our borders for the past x number of years - but the UK government did nothing about it. So now the UK government has no option but to put in place better controls.

So here's a thought for you - lets try and keep some form of freedom of movement of labour from both EU and non EU countries - and lets make sure our government manages it properly as opposed to being able to 'blame the EU'.

Do you start to see now?

Check your facts, one of the main reasons for the creation of the EEC and later EU was to reduce nationalism through integration and prevent future wars on the continent. Once your economy is entangled with everyone else it will be a suicide to wage war. So you claim that zie Germans would have attacked UK if they could is senseless drivel.

I have never heard the EU politicians blaming the UK politicians for something wrong in the EU. They might have blamed them for what is wrong in the UK and right so, given the fact that contrary to the pupular Brexiteers believe the only one to blame for the state of the UK is the UK Politicians.

UK government has been influencing the EU more than you think. It even has a bit of a reputation of being pesky and constantly nagging for concessions and moaning for exceptions. The most recent failed attempt by Dave to renegotiate our membership to the extreme by cherry picking rights and responsibilities is a fresh example. Many EU nations are relieved that the UK is leaving and will no longer have to deal with crap like that.

If you think that the UK Government inside or outside of the EU has the UK Public interest as a priority, you are even more delusional than I thought.

I'm looking forward to seeing what will the UK government do to reduce the net migration - they might limit the freedom of movement on paper - this won't necessarily reduce the net migration.

The biggest problem with limiting the freedom of movement is that it will greatly reduce the amount of "good" migrants - highly educated, professionals etc. and will do nothing to reduce the amount of "bad" migrants - low skilled, manual labour etc.

So here's a thought for you - What did YOU do in the past to ensure that the UK Government takes care of net migration? How are you going to ensure that it's handled properly in the future?

Do you start to see now?

[original PM]

Do you seriously believe this rubbish or do you just type without engaging your brain? Who, really, are 'they' that would take up arms against us. WE are THEY ... WE set many of the rules .... WE have a veto at the EU so anything you don't like, blame our own governments over the years as WE made the rules too.

FFS, I really do despair at some of the rubbish posted on here. And you're probably more intelligent than most Mail reading Brexit voters No wonder the out vote won if they think the same as you. talk about sheeple believing everything they are told in the mainstream media and Facebook!

Ok so it's not like the German's have taken up arms against the rest of Europe in living memory -- oh wait yes it is - so before you so blithely state it could never happen - just have a quick think.

So the main problem when you have 2 bunches of politicians is that they lie and blame each other - this is not a new fact.

Now if the UK government has been influencing EU decisions they have clearly in many cases not being doing it for the benefit of the UK public - and so yes we are blaming the UK government - by removing their ability to blame the EU for problems - and then claim there is nothing they can do about it.

So lets take free movement of labour - as everyone keep saying we could have had more control over our borders for the past x number of years - but the UK government did nothing about it. So now the UK government has no option but to put in place better controls.

So here's a thought for you - lets try and keep some form of freedom of movement of labour from both EU and non EU countries - and lets make sure our government manages it properly as opposed to being able to 'blame the EU'.

Do you start to see now?

[Whorty]

When we voted to leave the EU it was the first bit of criticism they had to actual take notice of.

If they had been able to take up arms and force us to stay they would have done.

Do you seriously believe this rubbish or do you just type without engaging your brain? Who, really, are 'they' that would take up arms against us. WE are THEY ... WE set many of the rules .... WE have a veto at the EU so anything you don't like, blame our own governments over the years as WE made the rules too.

FFS, I really do despair at some of the rubbish posted on here. And you're probably more intelligent than most Mail reading Brexit voters No wonder the out vote won if they think the same as you. talk about sheeple believing everything they are told in the mainstream media and Facebook!

[Whorty]

[northernladyuk]

Yes, yes, course they would.
Nurse!

If there were an export market for minced gammon, the UK would have a viable trade strategy.

[northernladyuk]

Cojak?

[sasguru]

If they had been able to take up arms and force us to stay they would have done.

Yes, yes, course they would.
Nurse!

[original PM]

Since the EU is a kicking stool that everybody criticises, obviously not the EU.

When we voted to leave the EU it was the first bit of criticism they had to actual take notice of.

If they had been able to take up arms and force us to stay they would have done.

[BlasterBates]

Since the EU is a kicking stool that everybody criticises, obviously not the EU.